214 Bob Goff Transcription


Jeff Zaugg [00:01:40] Bob, thank you for taking some time to chat. 


Bob Goff [00:01:42] You bet. This is a treat, just great to be in your blast radius again. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:01:47] Well, we’re here at the RV in Southern California and you taking some time to talk intentional fatherhood on the DadAWESOME podcast. It’s a gift to me. It’s a gift to all the dads, a part of our community. 


Bob Goff [00:01:56] No, it’s fun to see your whole family out there and meet the posse. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:02:00] They wanted to go down your waterslide, actually here at at the Oaks. They’re like, Can we go down the waterslide as like, next? Next visit. 


Bob Goff [00:02:06] Well, let it warm up just a little bit. I think that they would be plenty awake when they hit the water 


Jeff Zaugg [00:02:11] because it’s December a year now. Yeah. So I thought we’d start with talking about an adventure I went on yesterday. I was a little north of La Jolla in the tide pools, low tide, tide pools. There’s families all over the place looking for these little treasures in these tide pools because again, the ocean’s all the way down. I think fatherhood, I want to leave behind treasures for my kids, for my grandkids, like that curiosity that I saw with all, with my daughters and with other families. Just curious, from your perspective, what can we be doing with – Where can we be adding intentionality to our fatherhood journey, that would be like those tide pools leaving treasures behind that would even last beyond our kids. 


Bob Goff [00:02:48] Yeah, I think what we can constantly do, the first thought I had is context. That you can just, that idea of pausing to say the tide comes in, the tide goes out, it leaves things to be curious about, like, let’s like this life of adventure that you’re leading into. There have been a hundred and seven billion people that have lived here on Earth. Give or take a couple. Yeah, and there’s just under eight billion that are alive right now. So means there’s 15 people who aren’t here for every one that is here. And so what if you say, I want to leave something behind because I don’t know anything about the 15 people that aren’t here anymore. And so during this little bit of time to just have your family aware of context to realize this is a time with your young kids that won’t be replicated again. And so getting the context for like that day at the beach, it is like kind of that and checking emails. It’s just like, give context, you’re only here, so wanting to be these memories that they’re going to drop into a relatively small box of mental pictures they’ll have of, of what it felt like to be raised in your family. And so super intentional about that, but curious and always looking for context. To say the winter is starting to happen here at the Oaks. And so to understand the context of what’s happening, like to have our grandkids even understand that there’s cows and horses that are going to be parents of other cows and horses. And so to understand the context that you have a farm. And there’s more animals to understand that before it rains on Thursday, Opa is going to go plow the field today to make sure that it’s ready because you don’t want to disturb the field after it rains. You want the hay to grow. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:04:40] What would be some examples of weekly or monthly if you think back to even when you had your kids or younger? Of ways to like, trigger or remember to think context any any ideas and how we could like actually add some practical benchmarks to to help us pan out. 


Bob Goff [00:04:55] Yeah. Here’s just a practical thing that wasn’t around when you and I were the age of your kids is the ability to just take photographs and images and capture this image of a cow that’s going to have a baby, and they include them in that constantly. We have talked before we do this geo caching. We geo cache things everywhere. So everywhere I go, we’re starting a school in Bethlehem for Palestinian kids in January, January 13th. And so when I go there, I’ll just bury something which will be awesome. Yeah. And so it’s stapled to the back of my wills, all the latitude and longitude of everything. I’ve varied around the world for our kids. So when I go missing like Capital M, we’re going to like, just have this grand adventure that they do. To celebrate that, I’ll get three tickets and for all the people they’re married to and whoever they make and just say, what if we go on this trip and find all the stuff I left behind? 


Jeff Zaugg [00:05:51] So instead of, yeah, instead of just looking for deposits in the present, you’re actually jarring up those deposits for the future. 


Bob Goff [00:05:58] Yeah, actually, know where you’re going to be going to open up bank accounts. I did that for my kids when they were young. I put a little bits and pieces of money in there. I thought, Well, when they’re it’s time to go to college, instead taking out a loan, maybe there’d be enough in there, who knows? And then when they got to the age of going to college, there was actually I had a job, so I just paid for it. And then when they graduate, I never told them. And then when they graduated, I’m like, Oh dude, congratulations. Oh, and here’s this little something to help get a you know, a bad condo or…


Jeff Zaugg [00:06:30] to get him started, or yeah, 


Bob Goff [00:06:32] Or just like a little starter kit. And it all was born out of having an idea and then keeping it a secret, like not making a big deal about it. Yeah, I make little videos for my kids, you know, and and so they don’t know about that either. And so to store up these things that in anticipation, it’s just going to blow their minds. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:06:53] Yes, I know you love the movie The Incredibles. Yeah. And who’s the who’s the mom? The wife, Edna? Am I right?


Bob Goff [00:07:00] Edna – She was the one that said no capes, no capes. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:07:03] And that’s where I wanted to head with this is it’s easy for us to try to do things and our kids spot us now or our spouse spots us now or other people say that’s awesome. It’s another thing to say. Let’s do it secretly. Would you tell that story? Kind of what you took away from that movie?


Bob Goff [00:07:16] Yeah the whole idea I was thinking about that movie, The Incredibles. And as these guys, the story plot, they’re trying to be superheroes. And they said, Oh, we need a uniform. And so they’re the next section of the movie is them trying on different uniforms. And they really wanted one that had a cape. And so Edna’s role was kept, she say, kept saying no capes. It’s so that idea to just not make a big deal about these things, and they had all these horror stories of winches to back up her. Of all the superheroes, they got their capes stuck in something, and it didn’t turn out well. So there’s some rationale behind living a “no capes” kind of life to not make a big deal about it. If faith is important to somebody listening, then Jesus talked about that. And you know, if you stand on the street corner, make a big deal about it. Yeah, then you get a little golf clap here. But if you just don’t, dude go live a no capes kind of life, then you get to talk to Jesus about it forever, which is really a problem for a guy like me who writes books and speaks because I talk about everything, right? And it’s not because I’m trying to make people think I’m swell, I just am talking about the thing of the day. And but I realize in doing that, Jesus’s words like, you’ve had your reward. And so I would do a couple of capers that you haven’t told anybody about. Just do it because it’d be awesome. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:08:33] And I do think as a dad knowing knowing inside, like knowing with confidence, I am a secret superhero. I think there’s something about the perspective of just like, I’m going to live into that and my kids benefit from it. So that’s where we’ve even said I used to say dadAWESOME, it’s about. It’s not about us being awesome. It’s about having an awesome God. I used to say it that way. Now I’m like, Actually, the best gift we can give our kids is to be a secretly awesome. To be dadAWESOME. 


Bob Goff [00:08:58] Yeah, fully engaged. So what awesome looks like isn’t rebuilding the Aswan dam. It’s giving a cup of water to somebody. It’s the, it’ll be the small stuff. Those will be the bookmarks that people have. If you take your family on this big, massive trip and you stay in the penthouse suite and you have the whatever, that’s not a bad thing, but it’s somehow in this economy that God set up that it would be the small thing. So would be like setting up three paper clips and making something out of those that they’ll remember, 


Jeff Zaugg [00:09:33] So sweet, Maria, your wife, when did you start calling her sweet Maria? 


Bob Goff [00:09:37] I think ever since I have known her, she’s just that, we’re not trying to talk her into it. Yeah, she’s just very clear on who she is and what she wants. We just made an addition here at the at The Oaks, and we have two fainting goats that are coming. Yeah, they’re getting weaned. If you’ve seen the fainting goats video, like you make a loud noise and they just like, tip over. That’s how Marie is around people. She just tips over. So she is just devoted to our family and to me and the kids and whoever they marry and whoever they make. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:10:15] Well, hearing you speak about her, whether it’s just the two of us in person or in your in your books, I think there’s something to adding a label that adds life that we can actually over our kids or our spouse, that the way you speak of it’s congruency the whole time. I know how you feel about Maria. 


Bob Goff [00:10:32] Oh yeah, wouldn’t that be a good way to do it? If you think of what Jesus did, he called people either brother or sister… Or friend, or he gave them a nickname. Right. The sons of Zebedee. Just like a couple too many falafels at dinner time. But the Sons of Thunder, he had like a name, a nickname for people. So what if we had these nicknames for the people that we love? 


Jeff Zaugg [00:10:56] Amazing. What would Sweet Maria say about where you got it wrong in your father had journey? Of course we all make mistakes. We all stumble. Would she say as far as this was a maybe an area, you didn’t add enough intentionality? 


Bob Goff [00:11:07] Yeah. Well, I didn’t have a definition of enough, and I’m still refining that. So sometimes we get in our mind you want to provide which, like a wave, there’s a front side in the backside to that wave. To the front side, which is great, you provide like, you know, the food and the clothes and the housing and all that. But what your family really needs you to provide is you, like, fully present. And so I was spending all this time away trying to provide for the family for not realizing it wasn’t really what they need. And so we didn’t have the big apocalyptic moment where they said, like, I’m out of here or some we’re not talking to you anymore. But there was this sense when it pulled in one day to the driveway and there was a help wanted sign. And it wasn’t because Marie needed help, she said. Like, Did you need help? Like, So I was off in Uganda and Somalia and Iraq and all these places, but I wasn’t actually present for my family, so I was helping everybody else with their needs and I wasn’t, I was overlooking the needs of the people who were close. And it’s a story as old as time, like, that’s what happens. So just to refocus and to say that idea of being a new creation like New Day, New Bob. So even with a people that I have the privilege of working with, We’ll get together next year and we’ll say what worked right and what didn’t go the way. And we’re going to implement this new thing where we just take on a rotating basis, somebody is just off. They can just go and do whatever they want. Everybody will just delight in knowing that somebody is off doing something fun. And so you get to cultivate those creative ideas always like kind of keeping an ear to the tracks to see what are their particular needs. And you could do that as an awesome dad to just hover. I think that’s the first thing God did over the Earth. He just hovered. Hover over each person your family like, what is kid number one need that I could only uniquely provide them. Because if they need a ride, they could get Uber to provide. They’d give em a ride. But just say, is there something else they uniquely need that only I could provide and then hover over your spouse and hover over a couple of friends for a moment? And did you say, like, what are they uniquely need that only I could provide?


Jeff Zaugg [00:13:28] New Day New Bob. I think we can all, that’s an invitation. We all can say that at any point we can say New Day, New Jeff, like we have the opportunity to step in. But the hovering that you’re mentioning of like we have to pause. We don’t just race into New Jeff, I need to I need to hover and ask that question. 


Bob Goff [00:13:44] And sometimes it can be as simple as just bringing a cup of cider to somebody who’s, you know, just like they just need something warm and tasty. And other times I remember when Lindsay left for college, she was we’re pretty tight knit family and she left to Seattle Pacific. And so I dropped her off and they tell the parents, Now it’s time for you to leave, like, get out of here and we’re going to do this. But I really wasn’t done hovering over Lindsey. I had an old seaplane and so I went out. I took off and I was, I knew when Lindsey was going to get out of orientation or whatever it was. And so I was doing circles over that building in the seaplane. And when I saw all the students walking out, I called Lindsey on the cell phone. How’s it going, Lindsay? She said, well, great. She says, Where are you? I’m a hovering parent. Look up. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:14:39] A new definition of helicopter parents hovering sea plane Dad. 


Bob Goff [00:14:44] Yeah I was just doing 360s over this place. She had a laugh about that. A little mortified. And also, she’s thought the last day of college I just showed up at her door and I walked her to class because we’d done that four years together. And I flew up to Seattle and we had coffee once a week for four years. I started practicing law in Seattle so I could see my daughter once a week. And so I know that sounds, it’s not extravagant. I just bought plane tickets like the next guy, but I found something I could do that would get me in the blast radius of my kids. Yes, instead of letting efficiency call all the shots, but to set like presence to actually be there. And I’m a lawyer. You can be a lawyer in Seattle. You just take this thing called the bar exam. And it just sounded like a great idea that some people would say that’s extravagant. That was like the smartest thing I could ever do is just get anywhere near them, be like, awesome. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:15:46] A career pivot that put you in proximity weekly. I love that. I actually part of the reason we bought an RV and we’re on the road is thing. I said. I don’t want to lead a fatherhood organization that tells dads to stay home with your kids while I fly away from my kids to tell them that.  So, we’re living in an RV for that reason. 


Bob Goff [00:16:04] Isnt’ that crazy? And you’ll never look back and say, Are we just like, spend too much time? But to just know that you’re just putting in this deck of images for your kids, some of your kids are young enough that they’ll only remember what your other kids told them about this time. Yeah, the story. But the fact that they’ll be able to do that to say this is how we roll. 


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Jeff Zaugg [00:17:18] Well, my my oldest daughter, Kiva, she’s on her second read through Love Does for kids that you wrote with your daughter Lindsey and your opening story? You mentioned the wake up fairy that you had the honor to be, the wake up fairy to wake up the kids, I think when they’re napping, right, they’re all napping. And you, you actually failed. It was a stumble. You stepped on someone’s nose while you were running around. 


Bob Goff [00:17:38] Okay, yeah. So I got my wings. I was so happy to get a wand, a wing. It was really pretty progressive, you know, in the nineteen sixties. It’s amazing. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:17:49] Wand and wings running around tapping waking kids up.


Bob Goff [00:17:52] Until I stepped on somebody’s face and they just unceremoniously stripped me of my wings and I was out of a job. And so that’s going to happen, though, that you’ll make even as a dad, you’ll say, Oh, this can be awesome. Then it just doesn’t turn out awesome. It just ends up being like, Oh, wow, could be one of those cars, boats, trains and planes as you’re stuck in Iowa, fully sorting out whatever. But remember, when we traveled with the kids, we used to have them when we’d land in a country, have them, even at that age, maybe just a year or two older than yours, have them change the currency and to figure out how to get us wherever we’re going and just say, like, Hey, we’re with you. Like, just tell us, you know where to go, what should we do next? It was really fun. It wasn’t a dare, it wasn’t a big teachable moment. Yet it ended up making kids who are very daring and filled with teachable moments. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:18:47] What should we do next is a question that I want to ask you right now. I want to ask you to be a wake up fairy for us dads, for DadAWESOME. I want you to wake us up, and that might actually mean stepping on some of our noses. So being a little rough with us, but I want to invite you, Bob. What would you say to the dad listening right now that says, Where do I go from here? And and says, I even invite you to talk real directly and step on my nose as a wake up fairy. Would you wake me up and wake the dads up with even a challenge right now to say, put more attention here, put more focus here. Stop doing this. How would you challenge us? 


Bob Goff [00:19:19] Quit your job.  Like, literally that’s it. I would say nine out of 10 of the people I know, male and female, are in jobs that were great on the day they got them, but they’ve changed. New Day, New You. And still, there you’ve changed. And the job didn’t. And so I would just say just quit. What if every seventh year there was a rule that everybody just quit their jobs and they just started afresh? Then we would get acclimated to that date, I’d start actually kind of looking forward to that to say, what if you do that? And so somebody said, Well, that’s so disruptive and inefficient and all that. Maybe, but there was a guy I know that who is a great dad, but he was just in a job that didn’t fit him anymore. He was a brain surgeon, of all things, a pediatric brain surgeon. Can you imagine, like all the training? And but he didn’t want to do that. He wanted to write kids books. And so he came to one of these gatherings. We had that like, quit your job conversation. And because he’s just a really awesome, faithful, dedicated guy. He walked in with his partners and he quit. He moved to Hawaii and with his family, they rented a little place and and realized later, and he let me share this, that he didn’t realize he was within a thread of being done with his marriage. His wife let him know like, dude, I would. You’re just miserable. And he said, I came here to write kids books, but what I did is I got reconnected with my family. And when he got reconnected with his family, all of a sudden he liked what he knew how to do, which is pediatric brain surgery, and he started this outfit in Hawaii for pediatric brain works. Is that crazy? And so he what he did is he. It wasn’t his job that he didn’t like. It was this, he just lost touch with his family, but he didn’t realize that. And then when he did a bold move to awaken and move towards something that he thought it happened to be kids books, that’s what we connected around, that he found out, No, he actually really loves what he does. He just needed to reconnect with his family. And when he got that right, then everything sort of fallen into place. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:21:42] So your bold step on the nose Typekit type wake up fairy statement is quit your job. Yeah, you told me to do this through one of your books. You, you challenge all of us with dream big to to consider quitting your job. Because again, the context that I was making a decision of my job, I was exactly seven years into my last job, and a year and a half ago, I quit my job. You were my first call the next day and you encouraged me. You celebrated with me over the phone as a quick two minute call. I use the number from the back of your book gave you a call. And what I have seen is exactly what you’re talking about is by quitting my job and stepping into what’s right for my family today, and not what I what was right for my family seven years ago, it was a game changer for the Zaugg family. 


Bob Goff [00:22:23] There’s something about that that if we sometimes we wait for, you know, just all the right things to line up before we make a move. What about make them move and then say, OK, so this is a fixed point. What needs to change and you’re going to figure it out. All the things that made you successful in the previous job will make you successful. And the next thing I walked into my own law firm got everybody together in the 17th floor of the Washington Mutual Tower, and I quit my own law firm. I took the key off the ring. I gave it to a guy said, It’s all yours. You don’t owe me anything. He’s like, Are you kidding me now? That was a stupid economic move, but it was an awesome new creation move, and I think that’s where we want to do. Start making some really neat new creation to actually live in it and just something to needlepoint into a pillow to say your new creation with a Bible verse, why not actually live like see yourself in the mirror is like, what is Bob possible? Like, what could he do? I’m going to tell Off-field today. That’s probably not the highest and best economic use of several days today, but it’s the it’s the best way I could spin today to get ready for what lies ahead did just say like the accomplishment that comes of doing that and the cows I’m trying to take care of and I’m just interested in more and different things. And I think it makes me a better husband, a better dad, hopefully a better leader that I’m just like upending things. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:23:53] I know that we both Jeep Wranglers have been for seven years. It was that my vehicle I know you had it for a while. You have a jeep here now. You challenged me last time. I was here to think about downshifting the career focus because it’s just this is a window of time downshift that focus. I remember when I would take it to the car, wash my jeep. The only vehicle that would make the driver get out was a Wrangler. Any other vehicle you could sit in the car go through. But something about the way the engine is, the talk is they actually had some injuries because the Jeep lurch forward, if it jumps into gear. I don’t know if you know about this at all. Now, the cheapest of all vehicles, jeeps are the talk. The way the gearbox, it’s it’s dangerous to actually have someone in the vehicle in a car wash. So what I want to ask you about is the posture for dads. I think there is a play it safe, a culture of I have to protect. I have to. There are fears of man, I can’t be out of control because I have all these little lives, depending on me and my spouse, depending on me. We were getting after it a little bit the last question, but this lean forward posture, be bold. Take action versus being controlled like controlling the risk and saying, I’m gonna let fear chart my course. How can we be Jeep Wrangler dads who have a disposition towards action and being bold? 


Bob Goff [00:25:08] Yeah, maybe constantly saying what’s possible, not what’s familiar, but sometimes the familiar will get in the way of what’s actually possible when the vid shut everything down in California. This camp that we’re sitting at right now is empty, and so I saw there was a great big field next door and I planted a vineyard. Now I don’t drink wine. I’m all for it. I want to like, you know, fermented and crush it up and put labels and corks in and all that. I just don’t care for the taste of a Dr Pepper guy, but I did the math and it takes three years to get a good grape. And then you put that evidently in a barrel for three more years to do whatever it does. And then you drink the wine. And I’m sixty two and I did the math. I like 63, 64, zero, Isaac, sixty four, and I’m like, I need to get going. So maybe seeing a timeline or right back to the idea of context for your life to see you have just this little bit of time with your kids where they’re just like, you could go do anything. I could take my boys to a turd farm and they’d be like, really fast food. They’d be like, awesome. So when you have their attention, just like, do something with that and don’t wait until they leave, it’s almost like a change your ringtone to, you know, cat’s in the cradle. You know that. So to realize, Wow, I’ve got, I’m going to replicate the kind of grandfather you want to be will be a byproduct of the kind of dad that you are. And so I would say, like, I don’t know, tell me what you see in your future. If it’s you sitting alone in a golf cart, playing golf and awesome, ignore your family. But if you if each is around everybody and chaos and wonderful, go for it in your nickname. You want to give yourself OPAH… there’s just something there. My kids, even now, when the grandkids come over, we have lots of those iceberg roses that are just like tons and tons of these. And every time before they leave, I pretend I’m going to sneeze and I have a. Handful of rose petals. I got a shoe in the rose petals come out. Ever since this little two and a half year old, almost three has been over to the house. He always leaves with rose petals on the window. And I’m telling you, when I am spending my last days here, I could put rose petals on that kid’s window like to just say, like, I just want them to celebrate, though. See this and they’ll remember. They call it in their faith traditions, the realm of Christ. But it’s just this memory. It’s like why a pillow smells like the one you love. Well, I like the clothing, but it just smells or looks a seal. Hawaiian shirt and your. Remember that friend that always wore a collar or Hawaiian shirt? 


Jeff Zaugg [00:28:01] That’s amazing. Well, I want to end our time with my last question is around what you’ve learned from your friends at San Quentin State Prison? I know that they’ve changed your life. Those those friends, the class you taught has led to deep friendships. And what do you think you’ve learned from those amazing men that would apply to each of us dads? 


Bob Goff [00:28:20] Yeah. Well, two things. I was up there last week and we were filming this little documentary because the warden’s a great guy. And he said, You can film this documentary and the prisoners. It’s their documentary, not mine. And so they said, we’ve come a little early and we’ll do some filming. So we’re at this one corner of San Quentin and we’re getting ready to film. There’s 1100 guards. They keep all of them there. They take shifts, but there’s quite a few guards. And on the other side of the wall, while we’re getting ready to film this thing, they are having target practice and these targets do not look like pheasants and squirrels and all that. There are outlines of them. These guards are practicing shooting them. And so it was just so kind of sobering to realize as we’re trying to film and wait for the volley of bullets to stop, they weren’t coming through the wall, but to just know a 20 feet that side, there’s people practicing to take you out. And I would say not to add unnecessary drama that, like the world, wants to take you out. Like the the there’s our forces of darkness and distraction, and I don’t see the devil around every corner, but that’s what they’re aiming for. They don’t have silhouettes, a little pheasants and things. They have a silhouette that looks like you. And so it was a great conversation we had with these these men. There’s one guy in particular won’t give his name because if I get in trouble, but he has a problem. They just identified and his problem is this he did like prison food. But the problem is he’s in for life. And so that’s what’s available is prison food. But he nevertheless didn’t find himself constrained by what was merely available. He decided to innovate. And so you can actually hotwire a little hot plate that you used to warm your coffee and make. It is hot like unlimited degrees. Now you burn off a half inch a wire every time you use it because it just gets so hot. But I was asked if he had quesadillas the day before and burritos the day before that. He makes them in his cell. His cell is six feet wide, seven and a half feet long, and there are two guys in there that weigh 240 each a bunk bed or toilet, a sink and everything they own. And this guy is they use his name and they call him the chef. And so he just cooks up. I asked him, What’s the coolest thing you’ve ever made? And he said, A cheesecake. I like you made a cheesecake. So I said, Well, you write out the recipe card for me. I got to remember how to do this. The first thing you do is you need to get this one guy that’s in the mess hall to steal five cinnamon buns for you. It’s a step one. And in exchange for a slice of cheesecake, he’ll give you a cup of sugar and a tablespoon of cinnamon as well. You mix these together, you tear it apart with your hands. There’s no utensils because you’ll shank somebody. And so you mix them together, then you need butter. Well, he just gets all of his guys to take that little rectangle of butter on there. And then all together, they he’s got 30 guys taking their butter in and they meet him in his cell because he’s drawn community around this. They don’t want a piece of his cake. They just love the fact that he’s making stuff himself. The last thing you need for cheesecake, two cups of cream cheese. Well, there’s a religious tradition within San Quentin that gets bagels and cream cheese. And so he just gets 18 of those little cream cheese shooters. It equals two cups. And so he pays a dollar for every five of those. And the last thing you need is to chill it. And so he gets the prisoners to five cubes of ice, each about a handful of ice each. They come into his cell and they drop off this, and he chose his cheesecake. And there’s something beautiful that everybody doesn’t get a slice. But everybody’s fed. There’s something really beautiful. I think we can do that as you continue with this work, you’re doing with DadAWESOME that everybody gets fed. Somehow they get what they need, but you got to know what you want and you got to overcome what’s just merely available and say, get your head on a swivel and say, What’s actually what could I do to influence what I want? He found a guy that works in the mess hall, and he got just a little bit of what he needs. He hotwired whatever he needed to do to make it happen, and I’m sure he’s going to be not eating prison food again today. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:32:55] Bob, you have deposited courage in me through your books, through our conversations, through this conversation. You’ve encouraged me to go after it and you’ve encouraged all of us dads to be dads who go after it. And I just want to thank you. The deposit you’ve put in me has been a part of what’s launched this ministry. And I was just hoping you could end our time with praying over all of us that we would be dads who live out our on our toes versus our heels that we would be all in. Let’s take the Leap Type dads and that we would keep a perspective of guys up to bigger things than we’re even aware. 


Bob Goff [00:33:27] Yeah. Well, Jesus, you’ve been eavesdropping on this conversation. Been drop in on our entire lives and give the men and women listening like the grit and the guts to just not agree with anything that’s been said, but to actually do something about it, knowing that the only thing that matters is faith expressed in love and your strong name. Amen. 


Jeff Zaugg [00:33:54] Thank you so much for joining us for episode 214 with Bob Goff, all the conversation notes are going to be both in your podcast player or right below on YouTube or at DadAWESOME dot org slash two hundred and fourteen to one for so get all dawgs to one for. Also want to remind you guys last week and episode 213 I show kind of laid out this framework called the intentional 40 is 40 new experiences, 10 with my wife, 10 with my daughters, one on ones with my daughter’s, 10 with friends and 10 with mentors and want to invite you. If you miss that, you can go back and listen to last week’s episode. But if you want more information on the intentional follow. Go to DadAWESOME dot org slash intentional DadAWESOME dot org slash intentional. Thanks again for joining us this week. Let’s go add some life to the dad life.