Episode 287 (Jeremy Pryor: Part 2)Podcast Intro: [00:00:01] Being a great father takes a massive amount of courage. Instead of being an amazing leader and a decent dad, I want to be an amazing dad and a decent leader. The oldest dad in the world gave you this assignment, which means you must be ready for it. As a dad, I get on my knees and I fight for my kids. Let us be those dads who stop the generational pass down of trauma. I want encounters with God where He teaches me what to do with my kids. I know I'm going to be an awesome dad because I'm gonna give it my all.Jeremy Pryor: [00:00:39] When you're hitting the reset button, every generation or our families often just we hit the reset button every 20 years. As soon as the kids grow up and grow out of the house, the family essentially morphs into another thing we had to retirement or whatever. We don't know what we're missing and I think that God's vision was beautiful.Jeff Zaugg: [00:00:55] Welcome back to DadAwesome. Today, 287, Episode 287 is the second half of my conversation with Jeremy Pryor from family teams as I set up last week. And by the way, if you missed the first half, don't jump in now, go back and listen to the first 35 minutes of this conversation with Jeremy Pryor. I flew down to Cincinnati and spent the afternoon with him. This was the second time I've interviewed Jeremy Pryor because back four years ago we had a first chat about his time living in Israel and just how these family weekly rhythms of Shabbat and Sabbath, how it's just changed everything about his family. He's got five kids and he's in a chapter of leading several businesses, leading his family, a chapter of just I had so much to learn. Only like a fraction of what we talked about is in this podcast, he just spent every bit of my time with him, I'm just learning from him, learning from him, and then all of my research and reading his blog post, his Substack, his his podcast, his books. Guys, I'm going to just encourage you over and over listen today, but then go deeper with the content that Jeremy Pryor has created. So this is the second half, this is episode 287, the second half of my chat with Jeremy Pryor. I did want to ask about a physical house, the space. I'm inspired by so many of the, like, intentional spaces that you got to show me here in your house in Cincinnati. How how would you encourage someone thinking about which this is, this is me in the next chapter, thinking about, okay, physical space when it comes to making a decision out of home or building a home or designing a home or ripping out some walls in a home. What are some of the top, like, think about this as you make that decision of your house?Jeremy Pryor: [00:02:45] Well the way I did it was I thought about moments. There's certain, like I think about, like facilities, you need facilities to facilitate certain moments, right. So, like, if you want to have a meal, like, imagine yourself at the head of a table with 20 people. Okay. That's a, you know, that that, you can have that experience, you can have that experience every week, but that requires a certain kind of space. Imagine yourself, you know, around a fire with a bunch of dads like, we're going to do that. What's going to make that really, you know, happen well? You know, whatever, you want to imagine your you know, your ideal week, your ideal year, and you start to think about what those what those things are. And if you have a lot of vision for those things, then you start to see spaces. And that's kind of how I started to think about our house. Now, our house was, you know, had almost none of those spaces when we bought it. So we we we were, you know, crammed and and struggling and not really able to create those experiences. But fortunately, our house was sort of in a really good place to be able to like, throw additions on different parts and be able to, over time, as we could afford to begin to say, okay, let's build this space out so that we can have this experience, you know. And so now we're starting to have more of those experiences in those spaces.Jeff Zaugg: [00:03:53] Yep. Beyond the walls. And actually that takes me to Celebration City. Yet, you know, we got to throw a little inspiration from Walt Disney. So he would even think beyond one house that's more, you know, four generations living here on this property of different structures. He's like creating something for whole communities and did create, didn't get to experience it himself. Explain a little bit about why Celebration City is inspiring to you.Jeremy Pryor: [00:04:17] Yeah, well, to me, when I read in Genesis 1 that the trajectory is, you know, be fruitful, multiply, fill, subdue and rule. I'm always looking for, you know, archetypes, not fathers who did this perfectly, but fathers who got to the final step of ruling. And so I the reason why I'm excited about what Walt Disney did was, is he he were really did lean into that final step and he didn't know what to do. You know, he had built this great animation company. And, you know, there was a lot of stress. There was you know, they were on the verge of bankruptcy over and over again as they released different animated films. And, you know, he then kind of made this pivot where he decided to start, you know, a different company around the the theme parks. And when he created Disneyland, there's this the story where when they opened Disneyland and they had this this sort of little balcony in this little like room for him to live in, and they said for the first few weeks he would just stand on the balconies, weep as he watched people stream in to have this this experience that he crafted. And, you know, some people look at Disneyland, they're like, that's kind of creepy, it's like one guy's vision. But yeah, because but you are inhabiting one father's vision, you know? And now, of course, it's got a corporate, you know, interest and there's things that are happening to it now. But man, there are still, I would say 80- 90% of what you're experiencing is one man's vision. And so he went beyond that and actually was like, well, what if I built a city, right. And so he had he had, you know, when he was on his deathbed, he had above him and, you know, pasted on the on the ceiling of his hospital bed, his hospital room was was this city, you know, Epcot. Which is this experimental, prototypical city of tomorrow. And it was supposed to be kind of like a Silicon Valley in Florida, but he had designed it in a very interesting way. Now, after he died, they turned it into a theme park and then their leftover land, they created a city. They spent over $1,000,000,000 creating Celebration. And it is a design city in a in a using a, you know, sort of a philosophy called New Urbanism. And it's really where you are very interested in the sort of human interactions that happen at the sort of the sidewalk level, you know. So you start in the middle of the city with this these mixed use spaces that happened, you know, where cities were normally developed this way before the automobile where you had, you know, businesses and above those you had like residences and the next sort of concentric circles out, you have, you know, sort of more dense housing, you know, things like condos and, you know, multifamily housing. And then and then the last concentric circle, you had single family houses with churches and other kinds of businesses. And so, Celebration is designed in that way and so I love to take families in just to say, you know what, what does it look like to get to this final step of ruling? You know, some people also reference Chip and Joanna Gaines, Silos in Waco. I think that's a perfect example of what I'm describing. Like as you walk around that that area in Waco, you are inside of the of the collective vision of a husband and a wife and in some ways I like that even better because you can see, you can sense the different...Jeff Zaugg: [00:07:19] Expressions.Jeremy Pryor: [00:07:20] Yeah. Stylistic expressions of both the husband and the wife. I just wish this was everyone, this was normal. Maybe you can't get there in one generation, maybe your kids can get there or your grandchildren can get there. But this is the trajectory of a family, of a household, is that you eventually get to the place where you're ruling something. Designing something. Jeff Zaugg: [00:07:36] Culture bleeds outward. If you have a strong enough culture and you're the third or the fourth generation, it's going to impact way outside of your biological family.Jeremy Pryor: [00:07:44] That's right. So, like, one way to think about that is your house is a theme park for the values of the family. And so every, every time you walk around a house, because everyone has a house and so the décor and these kind of facility elements, like if you want to build a big front porch, if you want to, you know, create a deck and a certain experience like that, if you want to design a dining room a certain way or a kitchen, like you're beginning to express the values of the family. And then if that is flourishing, if your children are flourishing inside of the four walls of your house because those values are so powerful, then why not extend that? Why not open the doors of your house and build, again, the idea is build a city, you know. And that has, that could look like a neighborhood, that could look like, you know, it could look like a business. It could look a lot of ways. But I think that we've never, we don't understand where this can go, how amazing this can get. We we look at, you know, at, you know, basically when you're hitting the reset button every generation or in our families, often just we hit the reset button every 20 years. As soon as the kids grow up and go out the house, the family essentially morphs into another thing and we head to retirement or whatever. We don't know what we're missing. And I think that God's vision was beautiful. I mean, I want to be able to someday walk around a city and just see in the houses and the neighborhoods and and the businesses and the different expressions. I wish they were all just expressions of family values.Jeff Zaugg: [00:09:00] Yeah.Jeremy Pryor: [00:09:01] Not not that as a there's a certain, you know, specific set of family values, unique family values. Like this, this husband and wife and their children, this is what came out of that expression. You can see it, feel it, inhabit it. That's the vision I think that you get in Genesis 1. That's why God gave the family a garden.Jeff Zaugg: [00:09:18] And that's going to all be expressed in the Eden restored.Jeremy Pryor: [00:09:22] That's right.Jeff Zaugg: [00:09:23] Have a love of being created.Jeremy Pryor: [00:09:24] And their job was to take Eden and turn it into Zion, you know, because often times I wonder, why did we start the story in a garden and end in a city? Because we have a Father who has a vision and has a household that we're a part of. And so and He's preparing a place. He's designing a certain kind of experience. So there's a continuity to we're really practicing, you know, we're practicing, just like when we do a Sabbath dinner, we are rehearsing the wedding supper of the lamb when we are building houses and cities and businesses we're really preparing to to be able to rule. Because that's what Jesus said to His disciples. You know, when you think about Heaven a lot of people think about some worship service that never ends, and that's not the way the New Testament describes it. It really is, it's you rule that's and so we need to prepare for that. And the and the way we rule is not as individuals in the Bible, it's as families, it's as couples. So we want to experience that and prepare for that future.Jeff Zaugg: [00:10:18] Wow, Jeremy, you've got me, like, my imagination is cranking right now on all levels. So this is, this is so fun. We could stay on that topic for the rest of the conversation. I'm going to take a hard left turn in our conversation and go heavy for a moment. And I'll set this up with this morning, I reached to you, we have a prayer team, so grateful. Over 50 people that pray for the ministry DadAwesome and pray for my wife and I and our girls. So I messaged them from the airport that was I coming down here, in five and a half years, I've never done a fly in interview. You're my first person to say, come on down. Part of it's, you know, part of its budget and time away and living in the RV, but thank you for being the first, that I can fly into and to fly home the same night, which is cool. So they're praying. I'm on the flight, down here, and I'm listening for the third time through your podcast and it's also on your Substack, so we'll link both. Elijah, Jezebel and the Battle for the household. My third time through it. And as I'm listening and I can almost retell the whole story, the plane lands and it's the hardest landing in over a decade, I've ever experienced.Jeremy Pryor: [00:11:26] Oh, my gosh.Jeff Zaugg: [00:11:26] I mean, so you know what I'm talking about. I mean, everyone can imagine, like, what's the hardest landing in a decade of flight, flying? The plane crashed down. And I'm listening to your podcast. But the reason that it's no one, no one understands until we tell the next part of the story like that, yeah, we need, we're fighting a spiritual battle.Jeremy Pryor: [00:11:44] Yeah.Jeff Zaugg: [00:11:44] And I think it'd be helpful for you to share what happened when you share that with a couple thousand guys, because it just adds weight and we're not going to get into that whole essence of of of this. But I think enough that I want to encourage a lot of the guys listening to go to go listen. I mean your blog parts, what, 5 or 6 minutes, it's not that long. And then there's the flushing it out, so everyone can take time. We're not going to read it now, but would you explain what happened when you went to share it? And then just the the essence of how powerful this is living into and experiencing the spirit of Elijah versus the attack, the spirit of Jezebel.Jeremy Pryor: [00:12:19] Yeah, man, well, yeah, a lot of a lot of us, when we have sort of a hyper western way of viewing the Bible, we don't understand that in, in the Bible, it's really presenting the, like different patterns. And another way to say that is different spirits that emerge at different times in history and that we're really given a like an insight and like, almost a map of the way that that spiritual realities work when we're studying the scriptures. And Elijah is a very clear example of that. Jesus says this very weird thing comes down from the, you know, Mount of Transfiguration, and he says to his disciples, ask him, like, why do the why do the Pharisees and the religious leaders say that Elijah must come first? And Jesus, you know, has this very, which to us, is incredibly cryptic response, He says, Well, Elijah, Elijah does come and restores all things, but Elijah did come and they did to him what they what they would. And he also says in Elijah will come. And so So what is it Jesus, did Elijah come? Has, you know, is Elijah coming or will Elijah come? And of course He's saying that all three are true and this is, this is part of what people don't understand is that Elijah is a certain spirit and it's revealed multiple places in the Bible what kind of spirit Elijah is, and he is a fatherhood restoring spirit. And, you know, Malachi says that before, you know, before God curses the land, then He's going to send the spirit of Elijah, you know, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, children to the fathers. But Elijah never comes alone. Elijah always comes with Jezebel. And so every story that we have and so we have in the Bible, two stories, actually three, Elijah, Jezebel stories. You have the original one, of course. You know, people know how that works. Jezebel's primary way that she sort of expressed her rulership was the destruction of fathers and especially patriarchs. You see that in in the in the primary story we have of Jezebel is Naboth. This guy who basically try to defend his multi-generational family land and was was murdered along with his with all of his sons by by this wicked woman. And so you you see this attack and then you have in you know in the New Testament, John the Baptist who came the spirit of Elijah. You know, which was said, you know, both by Gabriel and by Jesus, he was, he had that spirit. And then, of course, he was killed also by by a Jezebel of his time. And this woman, you know, was upset because John the Baptist was trying to defend the family. He he was confronting this woman and her husband because they were in an illicit relationship. And so he was trying to bring righteousness to Israel in order to prepare the way for the Messiah. And because he tried to stand up against these family destroying movements, he was killed. And so and then, of course, you see in the Book of Revelation, Jesus refers to a particular woman as a Jezebel. Again, like this is the way that sort of the Hebraic mind works. This is the way that the Scriptures are designed. We're given patterns, and these patterns repeat, and this gives us insight into the kinds of battles we fight in the world. And so I began to get deeper and deeper into this. Trying to understand, how has God given me an Elijah spirit? And in some ways I'm like, Please, no, I don't like I don't spend my life battling Jezebel like she's a scary spirit, like, and I think that she manifests in many ways in a culture, you know, systemically through through men and women. This is not just about about women. This is really just about a different kind of way of seeing the world. And one of the ways that this manifests itself is you have to destroy the patriarchy. And that's why I think that if you asked, you know, most people in in like secular universities, what is the most, what's the worst, most destroying force in the world today? Probably the most common answer you'll get will be the patriarchy. It's a fascinating response that that ruling fathers are the biggest problem in the world, in a time when we have less ruling fathers than any time in human history.Jeff Zaugg: [00:16:17] And most of the time they'll point to misused power.Jeremy Pryor: [00:16:18] That's right. They will they will define that as sort of a white male, oppressive sort of system.Jeff Zaugg: [00:16:25] Yeah.Jeremy Pryor: [00:16:25] But but it's fascinating that they call a patriarchy. Like that is, that that is the clue that you're dealing with Jezebel. There's a lot of things you could have called that but, and by the way, the word patriarchy, the word patriarchy is a is a new word. If you, you know, study that in Google, it'll show you when it emerged, suddenly. Patriarch is a very old word, but patriarchy is a is a new word. And so this this is this has been labeled as that. And so as I began to really wrestle with that, I was I was supposed to speak to a couple thousand guys in a in a large retreat. And as I as I was kind of coming up to that point of speaking to them, I felt like the Lord wanted me to share this word about Elijah and Jezebel as part of the talk. I really didn't want to do that. My son was there. He was praying for me. I was like, I feel like when you talk about these things, something does get stirred. And so I was really I was asking, Lord, is this what You want me to do? And yes. So I was like, okay. So I agreed to, to, to kind of just it was something I was going to talk about for 5 or 10 minutes during my talk. So I walked up to the stage and as I got to the stage, like everything suddenly went, everything went down. Like the sound went down, everything. It was like it was a very strange. It was, you know, sometimes, you know, something pops or whatever. Like, literally everything went down.Jeff Zaugg: [00:17:43] Shut down.Jeremy Pryor: [00:17:43] Like, yeah. So they had to bring out new speakers, new wires, new new mics, like nothing worked. And so they brought, so I sat there awkwardly for like 10 minutes. I couldn't even tell jokes, even if I was the kind of person who could recover from something like that, because I did have a mic to, like, address the audience at all.Jeff Zaugg: [00:17:59] It's like an EMP went off.Jeremy Pryor: [00:18:00] Yeah, exactly. It was like I would just standing there, just like waiting for 10 minutes while they were bringing in new speakers, new things, and so they got it all set up and yeah, it was like it was a and I would, you know, I, I was pretty nervous. I was like, you know, I gave the talk. I said, you know, and once, once it was done, then everything like I walked out the stage and everything came back.Jeff Zaugg: [00:18:21] So that topic, that exposing. It was real. Jeremy Pryor: [00:18:25] It was the first time I had ever talked about this publicly. That was my first experience.Jeff Zaugg: [00:18:28] Wow. I mean, the the wait and I was listening to that part when the plane landed, which was just, it just added emphasis to this is serious stuff. And you've described that we're, actually it was somebody else you were talking to, you mentioned that like I'm raising an army. You know, I think you've used the description, this is a forward operating base. That's that's our it's this is not a retreat land of our family team doesn't build a a commune it's retreating from, No, it's like we're taking ground. So of course there's going to be opposition. A few of the specifics of like these are ways that the Jezebel spirit like is going to try to take you down. We know divorce is one of them.Jeremy Pryor: [00:19:04] That's right.Jeff Zaugg: [00:19:05] There's so much shrapnel, pain from divorce. We all, yeah, I just say that word and I can think the pain that kind of streaks in from friends and parents. What are, what are some of the other, like this is evidence of the success like Jezebel spirit finding success?Jeremy Pryor: [00:19:21] Yeah. Well, in all three cases, the primary, like beginning of this spirit was the redefinition of sexual immorality and sexual immorality. So you have basically Jezebel creating Baal worship and and really what a lot of people don't understand what idolatry like, you know, you read these stories about how Israel would fall into idolatry and like, why did they, why couldn't they just stop bowing down to, you know, like these these images or these statues? And that's because we don't understand that that really the essence of that idolatry was sexual, that, you know, imagine you're you're being told that it's now not only okay, but but actually immoral for you to on at different festivals go up to a high place, have sex with cult prostitute, in order for you to have fertility for your fields and and for your family. And so you have an obligation as a father to participate in these sexual rights. That's really what Israel was wrestling with. And of course, you can imagine why of, why the people thought that might be a fun idea, you know. To to not just be facilitating that, but to be celebrating that, right. And so that's what Jezebel was creating in Israel. And and so then you have and like I described in John the Baptist, you have a similar problem. Basically there was an illicit relationship that Herodias wanted to define as as normal and good, even though it was clearly against Scripture. And John the Baptist stood up to that and got it got killed. And then in in the Book of Revelation, Jezebel is doing the same thing. She's she's inciting sexual immorality within the church and and this is what's really upsetting to Jesus when he writes this letter to the church that is tolerating Jezebel. And so, yeah, that's that I would say is like the first line or clue that you're dealing with some something like a Jezebel spirit. And then also when you're when you see the attack against the patriarchs, right. When you see an attack on on John the Baptist, attack on Elijah, attack on, you know, Naboth. And I think one of the reasons why Elijah is a multi-generational father or patriarch is that he was the first prophet to set up schools of prophets. He was the first prophet to have a successor, you know, that he had trained and gave a double portion, which is the sons, the firstborn sons portion of his spirit. So, so this is part of why I believe it's really important not to pin pinpoint a patriarch or fatherhood to married men. Elijah was an example of a very, you know, fertile patriarch who was not it was not really replicating in a in a family sense, right. He was doing it through creating schools of prophets all over Israel. And so he had sons all over the place. And now and that's why, you know, he he represents the the multi-generational father spirit in the scriptures.Jeff Zaugg: [00:22:11] So in today, I mentioned divorce, abortion, pornography. There's a confusion, sexual confusion. And I mean, these are all evidences of like, there's an attack, there's an attack happening. And I am just going to leave that topic there. Thank you for at least, I mean, it's been so helpful for me to just kind of go back to and be like, okay, the seriousness here, the the imagery of like this is, this is battle. And I am powerful because of the God's spirit that's within me. Like, we are dads, we're powerful. But there there's some there's some sobering when when you start to get after what's what's happened throughout history and what's happening presently. So thank you for having the courage to kind of lead in that space. This is where I'd love to kind of land, we got through half of my notes. But the Australian cartoon, Bluey.Jeremy Pryor: [00:23:06] Yeah.Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:07] Of all places to land, right. We go from Jezebel Spirit to Bluey. I as I think about that cartoon and my girls, my daughters watching and the playfulness, the also even some of the work that we've done at DadAwesome of just celebrating dads. Getting down on their hands and knees and playing, looking their kids in the eyes, like really being present and playful. There is so many movements, there's an overcompensating and there's a Oh, there's too much focus here and not enough long term. That's a lot of short term focus is the playful dad.Jeremy Pryor: [00:23:39] Yeah.Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:40] And now instead of the deadbeat dad, or maybe that's not the right term, but the dad who's hardly around or or is angry, right.Jeremy Pryor: [00:23:46] Right.Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:46] Now we have playful dad.Jeremy Pryor: [00:23:47] That's right.Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:48] And then, but you're calling for a longer vision of third generation thinking fatherhood. Can you share a little bit about some of the shadow side to the Bluey dad, which his name is Bandit, right?Jeremy Pryor: [00:24:01] Right. Bandit, yeah.Jeff Zaugg: [00:24:02] Would you take us into a little of that?Jeremy Pryor: [00:24:03] Yeah, well, I think I think as fathers, especially for men who are trying to be fathers who have maybe not had a great experience with their dads, we need an archetype as a father to follow. We need, we need a picture. Because I don't know, I don't know what this is. I know what this role looks like. And so I just one of the things I, I have latched on to very strongly is Abraham as that archetype of the father. I've studied over and over and over again all the narratives in the scriptures about Abraham. Again, you have to, every time you read Abraham, you have to hear the word father, Av, in Hebrew is father, Avram, exalted Father, Avraham, father of many nations. When Jesus referred to Abraham, he called him Father Abraham. And and so this is this is the way we should think of him. I say that because most Protestants, you know, most Christians, we don't see Abraham primarily as a father. We see him as a sort of a character or a man of faith is really how I was often, you know, sort of he was described. And so when you're marinating and in a in an archetypal father and I don't think that Abraham's the perfect father, he's the meta father. He's, his his failures and his his successes were really indicative of fatherhood and the way that fathers work and relate to God especially, but also to their families. So then you're you're marinating in that, trying to figure out what that looks like, you know, really immersed in cultures in the Middle East where you're seeing these kinds of fathers just naturally as a part of the culture. And then you see another archetype, you see you see a Bandit, and it's like instantly very dissonant. But but then when I talk to most dads in our culture, they're like, no, that's like, they nailed it. Like Bandit is like the perfect father. And so I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. Yes, he's way better than that neglectful father that I think was being promoted. And so is this progress. Absolutely. Like, I think it's great that, you know, we have shows now where where fathers aren't being denigrated, where they're being celebrated. And so there's a lot of things I think are cool about Bluey. But but is he a good archetypal father? No, he's a good archetypal mother. And that's that's what I that's that's what people need to understand. If we have a blueprint or a map for what this looks like and then I think that's immediately very offensive to people. There like there is no such thing as an archetypal father or an archetypal mother. And I'm like, Yeah, not if you, but if you're a believer we have that in scripture. And so not not to put like huge restrictions or too much into this, but in terms of like we don't want to put so much into that archetype that, that it restricts people in some way that they're wired to do things by the Lord. But I do think that when you look at the trend, I've basically been tracking a trend over the, you know, the last like ten years. And the trend has been to represent the new ideal father as the traditional mother, right. So the traditional mother was very present, you know, very empathetic, you know, right there meeting the needs of kids. And and so this this idea of that traditional mother, I began to see that when when there have been positive descriptions or symbolic positive descriptions of the father, he would be that that mother. You know, probably the first time I ever saw this was a famous movie, Kramer and Kramer. It's a it's a great film. Dustin Hoffman plays this father. This is like back in the 80's. And I started seeing the emergence of this trend back even back then. Where he's this hard driving father at work and then all of a sudden his wife leaves the family and he's trapped, you know, with this with his son trying to be the mother and the father. And he turns into the mother and and then eventually the mother comes back and there's a big court battle. Well, what I found interesting was the when it was describing really his transition, he was I saw him I saw as I saw the movie, a man transition into the role of mother because the mother left. But what it really looked like, the the the writers were trying to suggest is that he was becoming an ideal father. Like, I didn't see any tension in the writing about, like, wait a minute, this is a massive net loss. He was being a father before. Now, he was being a neglectful father. And there was all kinds of things that needed to be dialed back and dialed up. But but we can't celebrate the as if as if having a visionary leading father is a is a net negative. Like, we need those and we need mothers to to be present and empathetic for for our children. And there you can negotiate how that looks in a particular family. But once you begin to enter a symbolic medium like a cartoon, I become very interested in in how these things are being described, because I see symbolic mediums as being almost like hyper educational, because you you have to make very clear decisions when you're doing things and, you know, you know, I've spent you know, I spent 12 years of my life running a, an animation business, you know, and creating archetypal and symbolic characters. And so I, I have a hyper awareness, I suppose, of the power of these things because I've been using them for for so long. And so when I saw this emerge, it was like, okay, we do need to sort of begin to look at what is being sort of promoted here. And so, yeah, I do think that that's the that's the essential transition our culture has gotten into. And it's being it's the it's the Christian communities unquestioned celebration of the of the playful almost play toy dad as being the being the ideal father that I would say, hey, we got to we do have a map for the archetype archetypal father that needs to be referenced and and it doesn't really match super well with with Bandit, as good as so many of the as entertaining as those episodes are.Jeff Zaugg: [00:30:12] Yeah. My mind jumped back to the Simpsons as another archetype, right. It's just like well progress but that it's so helpful. I mean your most of the questions I asked have about 25 to 30 minutes of work behind them because I learned from your resources that you've created. So that's the cool thing about this episode. This will be a part one, part two is that there are so many additional ways that the dads listening can kind of go, take a deeper dive, join one of your cohorts when you're coaching courses, one of your online courses like your books, I think the third one is coming out, or maybe there's more than that, the three that I've read.Jeremy Pryor: [00:30:47] Yeah.Jeff Zaugg: [00:30:47] So thank you for this time, Jeremy. This is tremendously helpful. This is one of those conversations that I'm like, That was for me, that was totally for me. Was there anything else you wanted to add just before we before we say goodbye?Jeremy Pryor: [00:31:00] Well, I it was we were talking about the the Elijah thing, one of things I think I would say to just the fathers is I, I think that there is going to be a, a resurgence of of the biblical father. I do think that there's there's the Holy Spirit is doing a move. I think that and I think for those of you dads who are listening to this that are that find you, you're having an Elijah experience, which is your hearts are suddenly turning to your your children and your children's hearts are turning to you. Know that that's coming from the Holy Spirit and that that's the beginning of something really beautiful and that we in the church and in a culture as salt and light, we this is so important. This is for our generations, but it's also much broader than that. The gospel only makes sense in the context of restored family. God decided to reveal himself as a father. Jesus decided to reveal himself as a son. There's way too much at stake for us to abdicate what those roles are with the family is and to allow it to to disintegrate. And so I do think the Holy Spirit is going to going to be leading a movement here. And I'm excited to meet a lot of you guys who are listening to this and whatever roles God may give you guys, as in this in this resurgence of the idea of fatherhood in our culture.Jeff Zaugg: [00:32:15] Would you say a short prayer?Jeremy Pryor: [00:32:16] Yeah, absolutely. Father, I'm just I'm just really mindful of whoever is listening and I am so grateful that you revealed yourself to us as father. We just want to say thank you. You're a good father. You've, you've shown us what fatherhood is and all the ways that you have fathered us well. And Lord Jesus, we honor you as as a brother and as the son. We thank you, Lord Jesus, for what you did for us and the Gospel and that you've you've restored for us the way back into this family and into the father's presence. And so, Holy Spirit, we we ask that you would stir up the spirit of Elijah in this generation. We ask that there would be steel in the spine of these fathers that are listening to this about who you made them to be and how you asked them to to love their family's well. We pray against all the various things that are trying to mock and destroy and and distract and corrupt the really beautiful and good design that you created, Father in in making the family. And we ask that there would it there would just emerge multigenerational families, their households would really come back and that they would not just be for themselves, but they would be missional that they would open their doors and they would restore all kinds of things that that have been lost and destroyed by our enemies. So we ask that you would do that work. We're excited to be a part of it. We want to do that in in and in a way that's with with with each other and as a team and and as a as we're a part of your kingdom. We thank you for giving us giving us this awesome opportunity to be a part of what you're restoring in Jesus name. Amen. Jeff Zaugg: [00:33:58] Amen. I am so thankful that you joined us today for this second half of my conversation with Jeremy Pryor. Guys, all the conversation notes, the links to his Substack, to his books, to his podcast, to the online courses that Family Teams has created are all going to be at dadawesome.org/287. Guys, thank you for listening. Thank you for saying man, I am going after it in this area. This, this, this dad life matters and it matters to keep growing, to keep saying I'm not done learning and guys, I'm recording right now. I'm on the microphone in a in a very warm minivan in northern Minnesota. I'm at family camp this week with my family. I'm sitting in the minivan with no air conditioning and so that you guys aren't distracted. And I'm seriously, I'm sitting here sweating, thankful for you. I am so thankful for you. I am so thankful every time I hear that DadAwesome that this these conversations are helping dads actually ran into a dad named Ethan up here at family camp. But he's like, I've been listening for three years. I've been sharing your podcast with other guys. I'd never met him before. He found it in a Google search and he said, Thank you. Guys, God continues to send one at a time, guys that come along and say, Man, this matters. It matters to me, personally. I keep growing, I keep learning. But as I sit here in this sweaty minivan, just know that I am praying for you. I don't know all of your names. I'm praying because I'm just believing that God is so for you. And I am just cheering and saying, Man, keep going. It's difficult sometimes. Keep going. God loves that you are a dad and He loves to see you turning this dial of more intentional words, more intentional actions, more intentional time with your kids. Keep prayerful and keep after it. Way to go. Way to be DadAwesome. Have a great week, guys.