298 | Dialing In, Leading with Love, and Being the Loudest Voice in Your Child’s Ears (Dr. Jackson Drumgoole)
Episode Description
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole combines passion and practical strategies in this episode. With his F3 and D3 methods, you can help your child identify their gifts and launch them into the world for success.
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Dr. Jackson Drumgoole is an inspirational speaker, author, and veteran with a heart for fathers and families. He and his wife, ShDonna, have five children.
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· Be the loudest voice in your child’s ears.
· Help your kids find, follow, and finish their God-given purpose.
· Help them discover, develop, and deploy their gifts to the world.
· Lead where you live with love.
· Be the Kool-Aid house.
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·SAVE THE DATE: October 19, 2023 at 7pm CT - Episode 300 Live Event: 30 Voices, 90 Takeaways
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Podcast Intro: [00:00:01] Being a great father takes a massive amount of courage. Instead of being an amazing leader and a decent dad, I want to be an amazing dad and a decent leader. The oldest dad in the world gave you this assignment, which means you must be ready for it. As a dad, I get on my knees and I fight for my kids. Let us be those dads who stop the generational pass down of trauma. I want encounters with God where He teaches me what to do with my kids. I know I'm going to be an awesome dad because I'm gonna give it my all.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:00:39] As a dad, as a fully dialed in dad, as a fully functioning father as you are, they have agency. Ask them, Hey, how can I best support you to finish this goal strong, to do your best? How can I best support you? Because guess what, they know the answer.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:00:55] This is episode 298 of DadAwesome and today we have Jackson Drumgoole joining us. Before I introduce him, I want to remind you guys, we're coming up on October 19th. That will be our episode 300 live event, 7 p.m. Central Time Zone. Mark that in your calendars. October 19th is a Thursday, 7 p.m. Central Time Zone. Go to dadawesome.org. There'll be information all about the live event. There'll be a RSVP coming out here soon as well. But guys want to have you join us for 90 Practical Takeaways. We got 30 guests, each bringing three practical DadAwesome challenges. So that's coming at you here on Thursday, October 19th. Today, though, Dr. Jackson Drumgoole, I am so thankful for this conversation. We, it's only like 30 minutes long and he brought so much valuable wisdom. It was a firehose of wisdom. So welcome to my conversation. Episode 298 with Dr. Jackson Drumgoole. Preparing for this conversation with you has been so much fun. I, from text messages that I've been sending back and forth with our mutual friends, Ken and Michelle Canfield, and then listening to other recordings of you, just your heart, your deep passion, your work. Like, I'm like coming into today's podcast recording, like already just pumped about, like getting to spend time with you. So, in advance of this conversation, thank you for your heart, your passion. Would you help just introduce your family to the DadAwesome community?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:02:30] So, I'm Jackson Drumgoole. My wife's, ShDonne Drumgoole and we're both from Georgia. We have we have five children. Jackson the third, we call them Tre'. Lyric, she's a college wrestler now, that one surprised all of us. She's a collegiate wrestler, now. And we have a set of triplets, 15 year old triplets. King Drumgoole, Journey and Jansen. King's a wrestler and Journey and Jansen are both, both track stars. So, we are, we watching those kids grow and develop into their own little personalities. And it's just been a blast.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:03:03] Well, before we hit record, you told the story of your daughter, who's now 18, discovering and coming up to your wife saying, here's three babies. And just like how you laughed it off, would you tell that story one more time?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:03:15] Absolutely. Absolutely. I was leaving the military. I was resigning my commission. I had, you know, we'd been on a two year deployment. I said, you know what? I've had enough. I think I've done enough for the country. It was time to just raise my family. And that was my mindset at the time. And so my wife said, Hey, let's have one more child. I'll do my part. I mean, that's easy for me, right? Easy for me. And so she went into the kitchen and put her hands on my wife's stomach, that's my wife, my wife conceived, put a hands on my wife's stomach and said, There's a baby here, baby here and a baby there, and placed her hands on my wife's stomach. And she was four years old at the time. And so we laughed and said, What if we had triplets? I mean, you know, what if we had multiples? We just said, hey, look, what i we have twins? And we start just coming up with some names and joking. That was November. December, the doctor called me and said, Hey, we found some more heartbeats. We found some more babies. I said, Well, hey, congratulations. That's what you do. You just, that's your job. My wife is in the background screaming, no, the eggs split, we found more babies. And sure enough, three months later, King Journey and Jansen were born exactly March 20th, 2008. And my life changed completely. Like I said before, you know, my, my, my, my income went from two incomes to one. My faith level went from 100 to 0. And I'm trying to figure out, Hey God, how are we going to do this? But He's, like I said, He who gives mouths will also give meat. God's provided and changed the trajectory of my whole life. And, of course, love my service to my country, and love my service to my family.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:04:52] Well, thank you for your service to both, because it matters greatly in both spheres. I know when you talk about your kids, your eyes are just glowing, Jackson. And I, I'd love to hear what your kids might say about you. So specifically, your triplets, 15 years old now, what are maybe a couple words that each of them might say, you don't have to, you don't have to preface with their names, but just some of the words that your triplets might say about dad.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:05:15] Intense. He cares. He loves. He's fun. He's funny. They would say, I'm the spark of the household. Yeah, yeah, they would say I'm the spark of the household. They would, they would call me they would call me more funny than anything in the world. They're an amazing bunch of kids, yeah.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:05:36] Wow. I heard you say the statement, I want to be the loudest voice in my kids ears. Is that accurate? Is that the statement?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:05:44] Absolutely, man. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, there's so many different voices in the world today. Like I said, honestly, every morning my kids get up about 5 a.m. and we get the day started. And by the time I walk down the hallway to check on them in their rooms, they already have their phone in their hand, right. So they're looking at TikTok, they're looking at IG, they're looking at whatever, going to whatever television shows on while they get dressed. That has an impact. It has an impact and that's already influencing them first thing in the morning before I can get out of bed. I can't beat them out, I can't beat them out of bed. I may get out of bed about 5:00 or 5:30, but still, I can't beat them out of bed and I can't beat all that influences. So I want to make sure that I'm the loudest voice in their ear and that I'm telling them who they are, whose they are, I'm telling them their influence in the world and how they, what I call, help them to find, follow, and finish their God given purpose. Help them to discover, develop and deploy their gifts to the world. I need them to know that before they walk out of the house in the morning time, because of all the all the influences in the earth, and I want to make sure they hear that.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:06:52] Wow. We can't just skim over F3 and D3. So, find, follow and finish their God given purpose. Could you give an example of what that might look like for, not the whole story, but like a little bit of the story, what that might look like?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:07:07] Yeah, yeah. Helping them to find, follow, and finish their purpose. So again, we all know if we look at that, some of the some of those strength finders test where you're helping the, helping the youth to find their, their natural proclivities in life. Well I'll just give an example, Lyric like say, she's she's, she's 19 years old right now and found her way in wrestling. She was a cheerleader. She did CrossFit. She did gymnastics. And it was the last year of high school, about eight months into the, into the school year that, you know, she she found wrestling. Well, we've always been talking about how persistent she is and how and how how strong she is and how independent thinking, how independent thinker she is and how critical her thinking is. You know, just she's just a very critical thinker. And so that has been a pathway for her. We didn't know that wrestling was even in her in a blueprint. But, about a few months into into the school year, when the coach came up to me, he said, Hey, man, I've I've seen Lyric, you know, in the gym, I've seen him doing backflips, I've seen it doing things. Would you mind if I ask her to try-out for the wrestling team? I said, Man, hey, go for it. I said, I've tried, we've had these conversations, I've tried. So give me it, give it, you know give it a try. And so he did, he asked her to come in and try some different wrestling moves. She found athem, she found them very easy. She was very flexible. She was pretty strong for her 115 pound body. And and she came home, she said, Hey, dad, I think I found my cause. I want to wrestle. And so you and I both know, wrestling, and probably and water polo, are probably some of the toughest sports because it's just you against, you know, boom, you know. Critical thinking on the fly. You have to recover quickly, I mean, if you get you, if you lose your match, guess what is in front of a thousand folks, it is you and that other person and it's going to teach you the endurance, the persistence, the critical thinking, the the ingenuity, all of that. That I honestly, I probably couldn't couldn't teach you if I sat in a classroom for 8 hours. But you can get that in a matter of 9 minutes and the fact she has to get up every morning at 4:30 to train, you know, go to school, you know, train for 2 hours, go to school, come back and train again from 3:30 to 6:00. Come on. That level of persistence, that level of toughness, mental toughness, emotional toughness, those are some of the things. So, helping her to find that, helping her discover that, helping her to follow that and helping her to finish that strong. Letting her know, hey, listen, wrestling, wrestling for the for the for the for the Olympic team, that's not the goal. The goal is that you become a woman of integrity. The goal is that you know that you can handle any situation that anybody throws at. Know that you are a problem solver, know that you have words, know that you can stand in front of anything or anybody on this planet and you can stand tall knowing that you've done the work. That's that's that's the find, follow, and finishing your God given purpose.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:10:13] Wow. To use my seven year old daughter as an example, quick, if, say, she found that basketball is her thing and she got to follow and go to a campus or get a part of a league, the finish, how would you coach me, Jackson around resilience? Hey we we meet our commitments. We signed up for this team. We're going to finish this team. What if, like, how would you coach maybe a younger phase when it comes to the finishing side of of trying something out?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:10:39] And that's that that's that integrity part. That's that integrity part. You know, the beautiful word about integrity, is the word integral is that's, it's one, it's one. And so are you really that person that you say you were? You started this thing, let's, let's, let's finish it. Even if this, and I tell this, I tell my kid all this, it's not a matter of you coming in first, second, third or fourth, it's, it's not a competition it's a completion. We're not, we're not doing this to compete, we're doing it to complete. We're not doing it to compete. We're doing it complete. If you happen to compete and get first place, praise God. You put the work in, you deserve to be there. But the fact that you're on the track, the fact that you're on the mat, the fact that you're there, that you've committed to that coach, you've committed to that team, I want you to finish this thing out. And guess what, like I tell all my children in their sports, from football to wrestling to track to CrossFit to whatever, you made a commitment to be there, let's finish the year out. And if the next year, listen, don't quit today, quit tomorrow.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:11:36] Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:11:38] Quit tomorrow. And then once you get up to that point, quit the next day. Every day is going to be hard. But guess what, you're getting some of that, as we say in the military, you know, you getting that weakness out of the way. We don't say that to the kids, though, of course. But, but you're getting that fear out of the way. You've overcome that fear. And I, here's one thing I constantly do, is I tell them to gauge where they were when they start. You remember when you started here? Could you do a backflip? No, sir. Well where are you now? You're doing double somersault, triple double, but you had to learn that, you know.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:12:12] Yes. Steps.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:12:13] Yep, by steps. So let's get to the next step. Let's see where you're on the next step. And I'm here with you for the whole ride. And I tell them all that. I'm here, Dad's here with you for the whole ride. Now shut up. Look, I tell you my son was wrestling, and my daughter's wrestling both in the same, same team. And I found out that each one of them needed something different from me, right. When when my son was wrestling, I was noticing all the other men were, you know, dads were on the sideline all close to, close to the mat. So I was sitting back one time at this event and I said, Well, I'm getting close to the mat, too, you know, because I want my son to see me. So I got close to the mat and I noticed that my son would lose every time I was close to the mat, right. Now, here's the thing, he would lose. And because he look at me, looking for strength. He didn't need to pull on my strength, he needed to pull on his strength, I recognized that. So I stood in the stands and let him do his thing. I let him fight his fight. My daughter, I asked her, Where do you want me? She said, I want you right there on the mat so I can look at you, I can look at you, so I can pull strength from you. I need to look at your face and recognize, because I know you. I know how persistent you, I know what you want for me. I needed you close to me. So I ask her, Where do you want me? She said, I want you right on the mat. So I sit on the mat right next to the coach. My son, I ask him the same thing. He said, yeah dad, I want you out of here. I don't want you, because I don't want you to see me struggle, because now I'm gonna be pulling on your strength and I need to pull on my strength. So as a dad, as a fully dialed in dad, as a fully functioning father, as you are, they have agency. Ask them. Hey, where do you, how do you, how can I best support you to finish this goal strong, to do your best? How can I best support you? Because guess what, they know the answer.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:13:57] Okay. That's such gold right there. And to take the F3, find, follow and finish and how unique it is based on which child, which activity, what they need. But often, if we ask them, they're going to know, they're going to help us.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:14:12] They are so dynamic, I tell you. Like I said, triplets, they're all born one minute apart, same day. You know, each one of them have three different learning styles. Each one of them have three natural proclivities. Each one of them need me in a different way. So when you asked me a moment ago, how would they describe me, I kind of went down the line. My son would say, I'm his playmate. Soon as I walk in the house, his level of communication, he just wants to fight. As soon as I walk in the door, he's putting me in a hold and he's my height now and he wants to fight and wrestle. He doesn't say, Hi, Dad. Nothing. He runs straight down the stairs, give me an elbow to the chest, I give me one back and we wrestle on the floor. We're done. He goes back to his room. My other daughter, She'll come. She'll hug me softly. She may put her head up against me and she'll keep going. My other daughter will come down, she'll grab this side handl she'll just rub on my shoulder. And that's our communication. They're just, it's just completely different. The 19 year old, she'll come and she'll put her head on my forehead, you know. Everybody has, exactly and my 27 year old, you know, same thing, he'll he'll come, he'll give me a, give me a manhood dap and pull me in close and look me in the eye. Let me know. Dad, I'm okay. Don't jump in because as a dad I want to jump in. I got life. I got it, Dad. Let's go, you know. It's all dynamic and you have to and, dad, most, we think moms that are most sensitive in the mom and I get it, they're more nurturing. But, man, we're the source. Fatherhood, Abba, we're the father. We're the source. And anything from its source, anything separated from a source, suffers, right. So we're staying, so we stay plugged in. I'll shut up, man, because I can go.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:15:53] Jackson. I've been, I've been trying this whole conversation, even before we hit record, to put you in a box. I do that just to try to figure out what kind of a dad, what kind of a leader, what's his style and your different answers to different questions, I feel like you've dodged or taken me by surprise with all of a sudden the way you approach this situation is this, the way you approach this situation. And I assume in the military leadership is a little bit more of a one size fits all, Not not technically, but like like this is how we lead. This is how we command. This is how we bring confidence and lead well. What were some of the positive leadership characteristics you learned in your couple of decades serving in the military that apply to fatherhood? And what are some of the shadow sides? Like if I apply that, that might actually hurt my kids? I'd love to hear about both sides.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:16:37] Yes, great question. I'll start with, I'll start with the other one. To some leaders, every problem is a is a nail and every solution is a hammer. And that's definitely not the way to do it. My children were never inculcated. They were never trained in the military nor my wife, my wife has never been in the military. So I can't come home and expect them to do what I tell them to do, when I tell them to do it, how I tell them to do it. No. I literally have to take, I did this for a number of years, before I come home, I take my uniform off, I put it in the back seat of the car or hang it up. And next time that uniform would see me would be the next day. Sometimes I would pull up on the side of the road and just completely decompress for about 20to 30 minutes before I before I walked through that door, because I recognized that they were not my, they weren't my troops, they weren't my company. They could care less what my rank was. They did, they could careless, you know, all they want to know is, hey, is that dad? I hear his car coming. I'm going to, I'm going to put my hands on him. You know, I'm going to love on Dad. And I needed to, I needed them to do that. There was a time, because I was extremely critical in the military, just being honest, I was just extremely critical because people were being critical towards me and that's just that mindset, that I was being critical towards my children. And I noticed how crunchy they were towards me instead of them running towards me when I went home, they would run away from me and I didn't want that. And so I start employing the same servant leadership, you know, those are different nine phases of leadership. I say, okay, what tool do I need to pull from my kids? And the first thing, the first one I need to pull is I need to lead with love. I need to lead with love. You know, every word has a mathematical equation or equivalency according to, you know, some some studies and the word love, equal. Mathematical equation for love is equal. I want for you what I want for myself. I want for you what I want for me. So I want my children, I want to, I want it to lead with love, I want for them. I have to remember who they were or who I was when I was, when I was their age. What did I want as an eight year old? What did I want as a 15 year old? What did I want is an 18 year old? What did I need as a 27 year old? What did I need? I needed someone to believe in me. I needed someone to charge, to charge my fire. I needed someone to remind me of how great I was. I needed someone to let me know that it's okay if you're not a A student in math, but you're an incredible writer, and he's going to say, Hey, listen, it's okay to not want to wrestle this year. It's okay that you're second place in the state and it's, it's okay. Just keep going. I'm more impressed by your effort. I needed that. So as a leader, my job is, ultimately, to develop. Period. That's my job. To develop, to delegate, to trust, to come alongside, to ensure that they have all the tools they need, what I call, you know, to to be successful. And so that's my job as it is here in this in this organization, in the military, at home and any organization that I create. My job is to develop, to build the team and to develop and ensure that they have everything they need. So those are some of the tools that I brought back from the military.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:20:02] Jackson, so, this is so helpful. We mentioned or you mentioned earlier, D3, discover, develop and deploy their gifts to the world. So now we're looking like actually launch language and we're looking at like that developer side. Could you unpack those three for us?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:20:17] Yeah. To discover, develop and deploy their gifts, like we talked about before. I tell you, helping them to discover what it is they're good at. That's really. That's, that's where you take that time. That's where you take that time. Because those are real formative years. We bought every musical instrument, I think in the world, put it in the house and say, Hey, we're going, we'll let you let's try this. We threw everything against the wall and whatever sticks because everyone has a natural draw. If nothing the sticks, that's fine. Sports, the same way. They played soccer, They played tennis, they golfed, they did it all. And we found out what they they draw too. And so for my kids, helping them to discover what it is they were really passionate about, is spending time with them. Like I said, I may have shared with you, I stopped by their rooms every day and just just sit in with them for a moment to check on them, to see how they're doing and and really just spend time in their world. And helping them, like I said, to to discover that piece, to say, okay, you know what, what, what are you naturally drawn to? And then once I find what that is, they always say, you know, so if your, if your child's interested in a guitar, buy them the best one. If they're interested in the drum, buy them a good drum set, you know. My kids, they were interested in sports, so we made sure that we put them in the best, you know, get them the best training they can get. And then, when they're ready to launch, that we talked about before with with even with my 19 year old when she's ready to launch, we find that, we find the best program for her, for her. Yes, she could have gone, like she's in a smaller school right now, but she's at a school and she's flourishing. You have to you had to find a place where they can flourish instead of just throwing them into the storm, into the wolves. Find out what, again, because every child is dynamic, help, help her to find, follow and finish. Hel with their discovery, develop and then deploy that gift to the world. Here is your gift. Constant reminder, you're, you may not be the strongest woman on that mat, but you are surely the most persistent. You are definitely the hardest working, you know, the most passionate at this. And if you can focus on those three thing, for her, for that particular style, and that's what it is. It's real, it's very, it's very individualized, it's very customizable, it's very tailorable. You have to, as the like I said, being a dialed in dad, I don't, don't take that, don't take that for granted. We have to be extremely dialed into our children to say, okay, what does this particular one need from me? And how can I, how can I place this one, even when I'm even when I'm launching them, you know, because I sit all my kids, I sit down with the coaches, like you, I'm sure you do, sit down with their counselor, sit down with their school teachers. And how's this one doing in school? And how can how can I support you in supporting my child, because you're furthering their development for me?
Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:14] Yes. Oh.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:23:17] Yeah. I hope I answered the question, man.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:18] You did. You did. You've also mentioned the word flourishing two or three times. And this this this concept of flourishing, If they're not, if they're not close to home, when they're kids, if they're off somewhere else, so you can't see them, they're out within proximity. It's hard to even know, are kids flourishing, are they not? So you came up with the concepts, you and your wife, described your house as the Kool-Aid house. Is this right? Is this correct?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:23:41] Oh, my God. Yeah.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:42] Tell us about the Kool-Aid House.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:23:45] The Kool-Aid House, and every, every listen, every every neighborhood has a Kool-Aid house where every child in the neighborhood just comes there and they're playing basketball at the front yard or they're in the backyard playing soccer or or they're in one of the rooms playing video games, in the garage lifting weights, and they get a glass of, cold glass Kool-Aid whenever they need it, right. And they're the Kool-Aid house, we have the pantry full of snacks, some healthy, most unhealthy, you know. But that's where all the kids in the neighborhood feel safe. That's where all the kids in the neighborhood feel, feel, feel like that they're getting developed. That's where all of the kids in the neighborhood feel affirmed. And that's what we, that's what we wanted and that's what that's what we continue to do. So we created, not just, we create an environment not just for our kids, but for every kid in the neighborhood. Last year, up until last year, I was taking all the kids to school in my huge suburban, right. They come in in the morning about 6:00, fill up my living room, and before we leave there, we'd say, we say a declaration and we would pray. Everybody. Everybody, you know. And I will pass the microphone around, hey, this morning, hey, You're praying this morning, right. You're praying this morning, Mr. Drumgoole, I'm sleepy. Hey, you riding, you praying, let's go. And there's coverage of it until we get to the point, because, again, everything to a child is normal. Everything to a child is normal. And if they, if they didn't experience that in their household, it's okay. You come over here. This is what we, this is how we, this is how we rock and this is what we do. And so they would just jump on a mic or whether we forget to pray, on of the kids in the back, Hey, Mr. D, we forgot to pray. Well, Hey, take us to the kingdom, brother. Let's go. Take us to the throne room this morning.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:25:26] That's it. And you're going full circle, though, to being the loudest, wanting to be the loudest voice in your kids years, and because you created a safe, welcoming place, now you're the loudest voice or a loud voice in your kids friends ears and through declarations, this comes back to flourishing. Because I've heard you pray this prayer that you taught your kids to pray, these declarations. And I believe the idea of flourishing is all threaded throughout here. Do you, do you recall, off top of your mind, because I kno it's been a little bit since you were driving the kids to school, can you read some of some of the declarations with us now?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:25:59] I'm a child of the Most High God. I'm a winner, I'm not a whiner. I'm the head, not the tail. I'm a strong finisher. I prosper, flourish and succeed in every year in my life. I prosper, flourish, and succeed in my finances. I prosper, flourish, and succeed my body. When I pray, He hears me. When I pray according to His desires and then I know that I have what I asked for. When I speak to Him, He, when I speak, when He speaks to me, I listen and obey. I'm a child of the Most High God. And it goes, it probably goes about a few, about a few minutes, but that was it in short.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:26:30] Yes. And all of us dads can write declarations and can teach them to our kids. And then when we hear our kids voices declaring, we get to soak it right back in, which I know as part of your heart there.
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:26:41] That was the point of doing it. I think I taught them that when they were three years old and they were three years old, and we'd stand up in the morning and they'd say that. But I wrote it because of what I was going through at the time, and I needed to know who I was in Christ and I needed to hear it from them, to remind, for them to remind me and me to remind them. And we just had that cycle. That's the flourishing part.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:27:03] Yes. Well, Jackson, I'm going to link, in the show notes, for for all the dads, the work you're doing in the community and in the Bridge Builder Community. These tiny homes for kids that are aging out of foster care. I'm gonna link your course. You've got an amazing online course that I'm going to make sure to link. These, The Fathering For Effect course, so that's going to be a resource for the dads. By form, of just kind of last word, any any just 1 or 2 minutes of encouragement or challenge that you want to pass on to our DadAwesome community?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:27:30] We all have to lead where we live. Let's lead where we live. I mean, we have an opportunity, an amazing opportunity to be a father, to be a source, to be to, be a chief of a household. To be a patriarch. And let's do it well. We only have a few years to live on this planet and pour into what God has blessed us with. Let's do it well every day. And and I love, I love each and every one of you, and again, I'm here for you.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:27:56] Thank you so much. Would you say a short prayer over all of us?
Dr. Jackson Drumgoole: [00:27:59] Absolutely. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the, for the opportunity to be in front of You today, to be before You. That we pull on Your strength, to be to be effective fathers and to lead where we live. And again, we thank You for the strength. We thank You for the wisdom. We thank You for the anointing and the opportunity, Father God, to be, to be leaders in our home. We ask You for the patience. We ask You to show us what our children need to help them to find, follow and finish their God given purpose. Give us that wisdom, give us that insight. In Christ name we pray, Amen.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:28:37] Thank you so much for joining us for episode 298 with Dr. Jackson Drumgoole. The conversation notes, if you go to dadawesome.org/podcast, you'll find the conversation notes for today's episode linking his online course that he's created, the organization that Dr. Jackson leads, and a bunch of other resources, along with, I'm going to link the two links to other podcast episodes that I listen to with Dr. Jackson that were so helpful for me. So I just feel like there's so much more you can take away from from today's conversation than even we were able to record. So guys, thank you for listening. Thank you for being DadAwesome for your families. Have a great week.
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· 6:21 - “I want to make sure that I'm the loudest voice in their ear and that I'm telling them who they are, whose they are, I'm telling them their influence in the world and help them to find, follow, and finish their God given purpose. Help them to discover, develop and deploy their gifts to the world. I need them to know that before they walk out of the house in the morning time, because of all the all the influences in the earth, and I want to make sure they hear that."
· 20:55 - "For my kids, helping them to discover what it is they were really passionate about, is spending time with them. I stopped by their rooms every day and just sat in with them for a moment to check on them, to see how they're doing and really just spend time in their world. Helping them to discover that piece, to say, okay, what are you naturally drawn to?"
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