353 | Setting a Good Example, Growing by Going, and Overcoming Racial Barriers (Elmo Winters)
Episode Description
Being a dad doesn’t stop when your kids grow up. As Reverend Elmo Winters shares in this episode, your kids constantly watch what you do, so the example you set will shape their future. Tune in to hear an important conversation about intentionality, racial reconciliation, and kingdom-focused living.
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Reverend Elmo Winters, MBA, has served in ministry for over 43 years, including his current role as Executive Director of the KINGDOM Group International, Inc. He travels the world, training and speaking to churches, ministries, and men’s groups on unity and reconciliation issues. Reverend Winters is married to Therese Winters. They have three sons, two daughters, and nine grandchildren.
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· Set a good example for your kids by walking out what you talk about.
· Everyone needs someone in their life to call out and draw out what they can’t see in themselves.
· Be open-minded, quick to listen, and slow to speak—regardless of another person’s race or culture.
· Most fathers around the world want the same thing: to provide, to give advice, to be respected, and to be a good leader.
· Never put ministry or the church above your family.
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Podcast Intro: [00:00:01] Being a great father takes a massive amount of courage. Instead of being an amazing leader and a decent dad, I want to be an amazing dad and a decent leader. The oldest dad in the world gave me this assignment, which means you must be ready for it. As a dad, I get on my knees and I fight for my kids. Let us be those dads who stop the generational pass down of trauma. I want encounters with God where He teaches me what to do with my kids. I know I'm going to be an awesome dad because I'm gonna give it my all.
Elmo Winters: [00:00:39] One of the most blessed things a child can say to their parents is what your daughter said to you. Or what my daughter has said to me, I want to be like you or I want to marry a man like you. I don't think there's any greater compliment than that. We tend to focus a lot on all the things we didn't do, the things we failed in, the things we didn't quite overcome. But our children, they continue to see the best in us.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:01:05] Hey guys. Welcome back to DadAwesome. Today, Episode 353, I have Elmo Winters, Reverend Elmo Winters joining from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Once in a while you, when I pray with somebody and this can be in person or, in this case with Elmo, it was through a Zoom prayer gathering of men's ministry leaders, fatherhood ministry leaders. We were praying together. I'd never met Elmo before, and he prayed and at the end of our time of prayer, I was like, Whose voice was that? Because, you know, sometimes we close our eyes when we pray. And I found him on the Zoom screen, I found his website, I reached out. I said, I would love to spend some time with you if you're willing. Would you be willing to be a guest on DadAwesome? So I, of course, learned a little bit about Elmo before the conversation, but I knew his heart for prayer. And when I heard him talk to his Heavenly Father, I was like, I want to spend more time with Elmo. So he's joining us today. Before I introduce him a little further, I want to quick let you guys know we're gathering every single week. We want to hear from you. So I mentioned it last week, we're saying, hey, send us a voice message, send a voice message to DadAwesome and you can find linked in all the show notes on any of our platforms, the link that says Send a voice message to DadAwesome. Here's why we're gathering these, podcasting 353 plus episodes, you hear my voice a lot. I want to hear your voice. Hey, has DadAwesome been helpful? How has it been helpful? Hey, do you have feedback for us? Is there anything you're putting into action specifically that you want to share as just a win? Now these are 60 to 90 second, they're short, but I thought I'd just play one of them for you today. So I want you to hear from Matt. So here's what Matt said.
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Jeff Zaugg: [00:04:13] So that's an example from Matt, and thank you for leaving that message of one that, you know, we're sharing on the podcast. Many of them are just for me to learn and grow and hear back from you, but some of them we do share on the podcast. So simply click on the link that says Send a voice message to DadAwesome, and we would love to hear from you. We want to make this Ministry of DadAwesome more effective and part of that is hearing back from you what's working, what's not. Where do you see like impact and where would use we say, and what about this? You could even say, hey, here's someone I'd recommend to be on the podcast. You can leave a voice message with anything. I listen to all of them and I'm thrilled to hear from you guys. So send a voicemail to DadAwesome. Back to Reverend Elmo Winters, today's conversation, so grateful for him joining us. He leads an incredible ministry where he's traveling all around the world, equipping from church leaders to ministry leaders to men's ministry movements. The Kingdom Group International is his ministry out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Here's my conversation, episode 353, with Elmo Winters. Give us a flyover, to like get to know you a little bit more and your family and the current chapter of Dad life, which I know is adult kids. Could you just introduce your family to us?
Elmo Winters: [00:05:34] Yes, I'm Elmo Winters and I'm just blessed to be married right now to to Therese Winters. She's the wife that God her sent me about ten years ago after my first wife passed. I've been blessed to have three daughters, Amy, Cindy and Ashley. Unfortunately, Cindy, my middle daughter, she passed in 2016 as a result of drug overuse. And then God blessed me as well with three sons, Taylor, Tori and Theodore with Therese. So it's a blessing to have them.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:06:08] New family because of God's sending you Therese. New marriage, new family, grandkids. This chapter, what are you learning recently? I know you just have shared this with me ahead of time, like the heart to just always be learning, always be growing versus kind of settled, the parenting life is in the past. Instead, it feels like you're just like, Man, I want to learn now. I want to be present. What are you learning in this current chapter of fatherhood?
Elmo Winters: [00:06:33] And you said it just a moment ago and that's God. I'm learning that it's critical that I remain present in the lives of our children. About ten days ago, my old my oldest daughter, she's 48 years old, she just blessed me and brought me to tears when she said to me, Dad, I want to thank you for still being in my life. I want to thank you for having always been there. You were present and she doesn't focus on all the things I didn't do. She's really, really focus on the fact that I'm still available. She calls me for advice. She runs things by me. When I go in that area, I visit her, we have lunch or supper together and we talk. I believe it's important that even though our children grow up, sometimes they move out. They're not gone and they still need us. That's important to me.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:07:26] What do you think caused, to have a daughter today that's calling you for advice? I want that. I have four little daughters that I want them to call me for advice. None of them have cell phones yet, so they're not calling me yet. But what, what do you think are some of the deposits early on that might lead to adult children wanting to call me and connect with me and process decisions?
Elmo Winters: [00:07:47] I really believe, I early on, not realizing became a good role model. And I believe that dads especially to really focus on the fact that your children, they may be hearing what you say, but more importantly, they're watching what you do. So I walked before her always in the things of God. I didn't make the best decisions, she, she and I agree with that. But she saw a man of God. And she's often told people she is, I am the reason why she's in that married, because she can't find a man that comes up to where her dad is. That touches my heart because I don't want you to be single because my standards set high. But I've set the standards high. She's always seen me praying, being in the word of God, leading, going to church, not just telling them you should do it, but modeling it for me. That's important.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:08:46] Wow. My three year old had a conversation with me just yesterday morning and she was talking about we were telling the story about Abraham's servant, praying for and taking this journey to find a wife for his master's son, Isaac. And and I told him that I'm just praying that God will, just like he did there, a miracle bring a life back that I'm praying that God brings each of my girls a husband, right. And she's like and my my three year old said, she said, Well, dad, I want to marry you. And I said, Well, I can, you know, I can love you in this chapter, but I'm going to hand you off to God's gifts someday. So I love that you brought up the parallel within, you know, within a day of me having that chat. What would you say, I know you invest in you bring leadership to groups of men in the area of discipleship, in the men's ministry movement, you're like, I care deeply. I want to help young men. What are some of the themes that you feel like, Man, I just feel like young men need to hear this? And I bet I know you've been a part of bringing some of these like a big impactful kind of foundation level themes. What are some things that are kind of top of your heart, burning on your heart for for young men?
Elmo Winters: [00:09:53] I encourage young men to learn to pick up their cross daily and follow the Lord Jesus Christ and make them know that the cross is a symbol of death. So you have to take the focus off of you. You need to die to yourself and make sure that you are concentrating on the needs of your family. Love them. Love your wife. Set an example for them, especially sons, to see how you love their mother and just live what you speak. Focus more on walking it versus talking it. I believe young men need to understand that if you don't have a role model, maybe your dad was not at home. Find an older gentleman that you believe can be that role model. And as a result, I have a number of sons that look to me constantly for advice, running things by me and so on. I can't tell you the number of daughters I have. I have biologically 2, but my wife says I got them everywhere. Everywhere, I pick up daughters, you know. So I think it's important, young men understand that for a period of time, don't be selfish, be selfless, and live for your family versus living for yourself.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:11:17] Yeah. What was, who are some of the influencers to you that caused you to, and it shaped the dad who you are today? Was it your biological dad? Was it other mentors or pastors? Or who are some of the voices that you kind of learned from?
Elmo Winters: [00:11:32] First of all, my hero will always be my father. The very first book I wrote, Growing by Going I dedicated to him and I made it known he was my hero. Here's a man who had probably a third or fourth grade education, but I watched him. He set the pattern for work ethics, doing the right thing.,Loving the Lord, loving my mom, loving his family. And unfortunately, he did so to his detriment because my dad passed at 61 years old and he always had multiple streams of income taking care of his family. I was blessed to have a gentleman who ordained me back in the late 70s, Dr. Albert A Francois. He saw in me what I didn't see in me, and he spoke into my life and he's very proud of what God had done in my life. Those two men were very vital, you know, to where I am today. They believed in me and believed God would do a work in me. So those are two.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:12:38] Wow. He saw in me what I couldn't see in myself. I think, is what you just said. And that's what we, that's what I want to do as a dad is see in my girls, you know, I want the dads listening to see in their kids and to draw out and speak what the kids can't see. And many of us dads didn't have someone who did that like have not. And maybe even presently these dads listening like are looking for that mentor, that spiritual father to some like what would you encourage to go find and to develop the relationship, the kind of person a step ahead that they can kind of learn from and without like you know, I feel like it can't be forced, right. What, what any, any coaching, any advice to go to find that mentor type person?
Elmo Winters: [00:13:25] Yes. I believe that young men need to look to first of all, their spiritual leaders if they're in a church or in some group of men that have spiritual, find men that they can look up to who are doing the right things. Do not follow the men who, you know, are being unfaithful to their wives or men who are abusing alcohol and drugs and those type of things. But look for somebody in your community that you see as being an old guy who has some morals and values. They're still some of us around today that believe in doing the right thing and contrary to what you will see in the news, mediums and places in that nature. But then we may even look to coaches are some of their instructors who they can become close with and get to know.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:14:20] Yeah, I mean, this example, the fact that we're talking right now and I'm learning from you, it took initiative for me to like pray, be on a Zoom prayer call with you and then to go find your contact info, reach to you, dial in and set it up and do a little like they thank you for saying yes. But also I think the leadership, I'm just telling like we need self leadership. Us dads need to take some self leadership of just like, hey, I take initiative, I risk the rejection, right. And I know this is a passion of yours. There's barriers, there's real cultural barriers, there's socio economic barriers, there's barriers that are caused by family of origin or by like there's so many like things that can be barriers that we can like, we can say, Well, that's the problem. So I'm going to blame that thing. Or there's the overcomer approach and there's so many layers to this, and I know you're your passion of writing books in this area and inspiring other people to like, Hey, let's actually overcome. And even like one of the core ones is racial and cultural barriers. Would you talk a little bit about that core passion and how it would even, the transferable principles to everyday listening of like, we can be overcomers?
Elmo Winters: [00:15:33] This is very close to my heart, what you ask me to do right now because I am a product of the 50s. And I tell people I grew up in the very extreme racist Jim Crow South. So many would think that there are all these things that would hold me back from being successful. But I never allowed any of those things to stop me because I believe that God had a plan for my life and that God was going to move me to overcome whatever barriers. And I have been very successful in a number of areas. I thank God for that, give hHim glory for that. But the truth of the matter is, I believe that all of us need to listen to the voice of God, first, before we pay attention to those those talking heads around us that will continue to tell you that you can't do this, you can't do that, and so on. And I tell people, I've never allowed race to be an issue. I have experienced racism, and it's still out there to some extent. But it doesn't bother me because I'm convinced that the God I serve is stronger than any of that. And I've worked with people who have gone to extreme lengths to hinder my advancement. And it never worked because God had a plan. So that's what I tell young people, especially young African-American guys today, is, you know, don't talk about what the hindrances are. Look beyond that and know that God has a plan for your life, every life, and you can achieve greatness because of Him and for Him, not yourself, but for Him and because of Him in your life.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:17:20] All of us dads can be playing a role to raise families who are bringers of more of the kingdom of heaven and in bringing healing to so much brokenness. Like what any just advice for, for you gave advice so this is what you share with African-American young men. Like what advice do you give to me?
Elmo Winters: [00:17:37] Well, there are, there are a number of things I can say. I have so many experiences. I can tell you, I've learned, number one, to be quick, quick, quick to listen and slow to speak. Regardless of who you are encountering, regardless of what culture they're from, I believe we can learn from others. We can learn a lot from other people. I love cultures. I love different people. But I think it's important that when we speak that we need to understand that our words have power. The Word of God says that we have in our tongue the power of life and death. So when we speak before young men, ladies in our families, your daughters, you ought to be speaking life, speaking life, speaking life, speaking positively. And let them see that. Do not allow the things of your past to hinder you going forward. Doesn't matter how people have treated you in the past or what you've thought of people going forward. Be open minded. Be willing to listen to people. Be willing to not allow those things from your past and just hold you back from moving forward. Because I believe there's value, there's worth in every person. It's important that we never forget that and think that only those who look like me or from my same tribe can speak to me. No, that's not the case. You need to be willing to allow others to speak to you and listen to what they have to say.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:19:23] Getting outside, like my own context, like there's actually a physical going sometimes. And you brought up and I did some research around your book, Growing by Going and then learning about you planting churches and training pastors in Russia, Kenya, Mexico, like in all of the US, like in the fact that you and your wife have an RV that you travel in to the ministry. I'm like applauding. We're slightly different age, the two of us. And I'm like, Yes, because we did that as a family. And I was like, That's hard to move in an RV. So you're doing it. You're going. What, what inspired the title of that book, Growing by Going, and how would it apply to Dad's, some of the principles about like being dads who are growing and going?
Elmo Winters: [00:20:08] The original focus of our ministry, the Kingdom group Tanzania was evangelism. My strong suit has been soul winning and leading people to Christ. I brag about God, not about me. How He's blessed me to personally see thousands of people. I mean witness to thousands of people and see them come to Christ. That impacts your life to the point where you want everybody to know the good news. And I think that's where the Growing by Going book came from. It was a manual to help people know how to simply share your faith. I have grown since writing a book to the point where I'm telling people, Just keep it simple now. Tell them what God has done for you. Give them your testimony. Tell people where God has brought you from and then wait for them to desire what you have because of what God has done in your life. So that's important there. We found ourselves a couple of years after the start of our ministry in a place where we saw people working so hard to stay divided and not enough people put an emphasis on bringing people together. So there was born birth in us, the desire to start promoting unity with an emphasis on diversity. And I thought about this earlier, Jeff, when you say diversity, we don't want to limit that to racial diversity. We're talking about denominational diversity. We're talking about gender diversity. We're talking about diversity that covers everyone. And in essence, what we're doing is painting a picture to live in a world that looks like heaven.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:21:57] That's, that is so good. And even the leadership of the Holy Spirit that you move to, to a different focus as a ministry because God's like, no, this is, this is the need and we can step in. The the perspective you have from all these conversations, all these gatherings, the the work you've done over decades globally. Was there anything you picked up from dads in Russia, Kenya, Mexico, and then even even if, It doesn't have to be even just globally, but even different diverse pockets of like, hey, like I'm learning and seeing this is what dads are doing, how they're getting it right, specifically. Is there any just things you've picked up along the way that you would kind of shine a spotlight on and say, hey, it's like, this is amazing what dads are doing here
Elmo Winters: [00:22:43] Yeah, contrary to a lot of the beliefs today, fathers for the most part, really want to do the right thing and lead their families. They don't always know how to overcome the circumstances, the challenges that come about in their lives, what they want their children to look up to them. They truly, in many cases, want their wives to respect and honor them. But because of bad decisions, because of people allowing their history to take such an impact on their lives, no, they don't know how to weave their way through that or to get out of that and start taking care of their families. For the most part, fathers want to provide. They want to give advice. I think they just want to be respected and honored as they head of their families. That's what I found. Doesn't matter if it's in Russia. It doesn't matter if it's in Kenya, in Mexico, here in America. I'm finding that there are more fathers, than not, they really want to be a good dad, a good man.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:23:55] Wow. Yeah. The desire is there. We celebrate. We do celebrate. Eight years ago, your daughter passing away. And then I think it was a little bit before that, right, that your your first wife passed. Is that is that timeline correct?
Elmo Winters: [00:24:11] Yes.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:24:11] Yeah grief and loss and the unimaginable and how to continue walking in the love of God and continuing leading a ministry and, you know, loving on your two daughters, trusting God. Any any just learnings that you could pass on to us dads around walking through these unimaginable valleys?
Elmo Winters: [00:24:32] Well, I tell people that when you lose people close to you, like my first wife of 43 years, this was my high school sweetheart and 43 plus years. And my daughter was 38 when she passed. What you have to really come to grips with is the fact that you never get over those losses. Don't try to get over those losses. Don't try to live your life as if they did not happen. But because of the Holy Spirit, you can get through those things. There are very few days that go by that I think about my first wife and I do not think about my daughter. I look at the pictures and think about the great times we had. I think about memories, they're wonderful memories I have. But I don't try to make myself forget my past. That's that's insanity, in my opinion. We cherish those things. And thank God for the learning moments that I had during my past and how I can bring such positive things into my current relationship.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:25:34] Yeah. I'm not sure. Are you a coffee guy or sweet tea or what's your beverage of choice?
Elmo Winters: [00:25:39] I'm a coffee guy. I got my coffee cup right here straight to my left.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:25:43] Cheers. Cheers. That's right.
Elmo Winters: [00:25:45] I started picking up mine a moment ago when I spoke to you. I'm drinking about three or more cups of coffee every day. Probably why I'm so hyper.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:25:51] You got the energy and passion. That's amazing. So when we're together, I think we're going to be together here in early, early December for that gathering of fatherhood ministry leaders. And if if the two of us were sharing a table, you know, good cup of coffee and had a couple other young dads with us, and you just had a chance to share top of, top of mind any other dad wisdom that you've picked up or, you know, we're eager to learn where you're sitting with you, eager to learn and we're highly caffeinated in that moment. Any other just top of mind, dad, practical wisdom type type insights you'd want to pass on to us dads?
Elmo Winters: [00:26:25] Be authentic. Be yourself. Be genuine as you lead your family. Again, I wish we could say that we're going to always have good times. We won't. We have things happen in our lives. But before our children, be a great role model. One of the most blessed things a child can say to their parent is what your daughter said to you and what my daughter has said to me, you know, I want I want to be like you or I want to marry a man like you. That's, I don't think there's any greater compliment than that. That means that we tend to focus a lot, Jeff, on all the things we didn't do, the things we failed in, the things we didn't quite overcome. But our children, they continue to see the best in us and my daughter, and I'll say this quickly now, I won't dwell on this, but because of a mutual friend we have. Michelle watching?
Jeff Zaugg: [00:27:28] Yes.
Elmo Winters: [00:27:29] Advised me, a group of us, that we need to go back to our children and apologize for anything that we had happen in our lives, that we had not settled or reconciled with them. And I did that with my oldest. There was one thing she brought to my attention. I apologize. She said there was nothing I could do. There was just one thing. I apologize because I did not handle it as I should have. I recognize that. And it's done. It's over with. I'm not too big of a man to say I made a mistake. And I'm sorry about that. Please forgive me.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:28:05] Humility and just seeking to repair and apologize. Thank you for that encouragement. Yeah, we all, we all can, something popped into all of our hearts right in that moment of like, I can, I can and then not, I'm not too big of a man to like, yes.
Elmo Winters: [00:28:22] There's no manual, Jeff, I didn't mean to cut you off. There is no manual that anybody can give to you that will work for every parent. Okay. I mean, there are parenting guides and programs, but whether it works for every person is is questionable. But because a lot of the parenting, you kind of learn on the job. Okay. And we make mistakes here. I was a young pastor, I could write a whole volume of books of all the mistakes I made. And but to know that my children still love me and respect me and care for me is important.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:29:00] Yeah. Would you be willing, before I ask you to pray over us, would you be willing to share 1 of, 1 or 2 of those mistakes or, you know, it's a long time ago with some of the young dad life was a long time ago. But yeah, just a top of mind story or something that you're like, no, this is where I missed it?
Elmo Winters: [00:29:15] I often encourage young pastors never, ever put the ministry or the church above your family. This I did. You know, and it devastated my first wife. She was a very angry person because prior to me going into ministry, she was number one after God in my life. But I put her on the back burner and I started putting the church and the ministry. And it just it just crippled her and let her anger, which I'm convinced was a factor in her passing. And I think it's important that we get the priorities straight. God is always first, but He's given us a family that we have to minister to, be the pastor of our home, our wives and our children, and then the ministry. Never forget that. And that I believe is important that you spend quality time with your family and that gives them a level return. Give them quality time.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:30:18] And that is transferable to every dad.
Elmo Winters: [00:30:22] Yes.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:30:23] In any career, is the short term quantifiable accolades and accomplishments are just so tempting to put more focus there because it's so much more concrete than the dad life. So thank you for that strong encouragement.
Elmo Winters: [00:30:40] My father took time out to take me fishing. That's so special. And I have a friend, a very dear friend who did have a father. And he reminded me not long ago that, remember, I used to go fishing with you and your dad, and your dad became like a dad for me because he he took us fishing. That was big. When he had time off from his job, we went fishing. I'll never forget that with my father.
Jeff Zaugg: [00:31:03] Wow. May that be said,of all of us dads, not only did I take the time off for my sons or daughters, but I involved others. I pull them in. I pulled these other kids in because it may have a ripple effect, the ripple effect is, its kingdom. Thank you, Elmo, for the leadership in the ministry you lead. I'll be linking out your resources, your website, your mission, so that more of our dads can know about the ministry you lead it. Would you say a short prayer over all of us dads listening?
Elmo Winters: [00:31:32] I will. Thank you very much for opportunity. And I just can't say enough how important this is to us. Let's pray our Father in heaven, we thank You for this great work that Jeff is doing. And thank You, dear God, for the dads who will hear the things have been said and will it will impact their lives. I even pray for those who might have questions, who might want to have another dialog. I just pray God that will get back to seeing real strong fathers being raised up in our nation that will make not only our homes and churches stronger, but they will make our country stronger. I thank You, God, for this great man of God, his wonderful daughters and wife that you meet every need of their lives. And may they know that You are the source of everything that they need to be successful for You in all glory, honor and praise will go to You. In Jesus name. Amen.
Elmo Winters: [00:32:34] Thank you so much for joining us for episode 353 with Elmo Winters. All the show notes, the conversation links, the transcripts, the action steps and key quotes are going to be found at dadawesome.org/podcast. I want to remind you guys one more time, we would love to hear from you. And there's this is linked at the podcast page, but also in any of your podcast players send DadAwesome a voice message. We'd love to hear from you. Ways this ministry has been helpful, your recommendation just kind of like encouragement message or specific ways we can help make this ministry more effective, feedback loop. We'd love to hear back from you. Hey, what's helpful? What's not? What would you recommend? We want to hear back from you guys. So simply click the Leave DadAwesome a voice message and we'll hear that and so grateful in advance for you guys leaving us some voice messages. All right, that's it for today. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being DadAwesome. Have a great week, guys.
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· 17:44 - "I've learned to be quick, quick, quick to listen and slow to speak. Regardless of who you are encountering, regardless of what culture they're from, I believe we can learn from others. We can learn a lot from other people. I love cultures. I love different people. It's important that when we speak that we need to understand that our words have power. The Word of God says that we have in our tongue the power of life and death. So when we speak before young men, ladies in our families, your daughters, you ought to be speaking life, speaking positively. Let them see that."
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